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post Apr 6 2006, 10:11 AM
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Bigup yourselves rudeboys

I have had the same kind of experience that Merlin has described of the 'Lucifer' force

It is the knowledge that helps you to go beyond good and evil.
I was told that the story of man being led to a 'fall' from the garden of eden was an allegory
'Lucifer' is an Archetypical force that gives us the knowledge of duality through Kundalini (the light of knowledge, gnosis, shamanic under/overworld) which was activated by either sex (represented through Eve being the bearer of the fruit) or possibly through Etheogens (sp? represented by an apple) which severed us from Gods grace (permanent altruisitc mindstate) so that we could transcend it and become a higher level of concious evolution, choosing to go back to a state of Altruistic Grace out of our own free will rather than through force or compulsion such as animals or for that matter Angelics or Demons that are tied to polarities of good or bad.

"before the white lord and the black lord can meet, some sort of an arraingement must be made with lucifer."-

This is very correct and is showing how the uniting of the black lord and the white lord e.g. masculine and feminine, Shiva & Shakti is acheived with the use of the 'lightbringer' The 'Light' that Lucifer is bringing is enlightenment/light of God/illumination. Christ was called the bearer of light in the new testament and he was an expression of the same archetypical force - Born from an expression of pure femininity (Virgin Mary) He becomes polarized towards 'good' and is tempted by 'bad' and attacked by the world until he is Crucified and dies (death of small self/transcending of ego) and 'Rises up to heaven' to unite with pure masculine force (God the Father) - doing so produces the ultimate Avatar - the redeemer of mankind. This is the union between the black lord and the white lord as well.

Mankind will also in the long term redeem Lucifer - when enough people have contact with the force that he is a representation of and understand it rather than fear it - and unconditionally accept it (get crucified) rather than try and battle it or colour it with their own experience what will happen is that it will gradually be seen as a planetary archetypical version of the story of Christ/Kundalini ascension process. People are not reading to the end of the story at the moment but are only half way through chapter 2 and have made their assumptions as to Lucifer being evil because they don't have the ability to see his long term plan.

I think it would be fair to equate him in some ways with Hermes and Shiva from Hinduism and Greek myth, Both of who have a trident and serpents as symbols as well... Hermes being the conveyor of hidden knowledge and Shiva being the 'destroy in order to renew' side of the Godhead in Hinduism. 3 archetypes of the same flavour.

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post Apr 26 2006, 05:41 AM
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Well I finally did an evocation of Lucifer as part of an advanced Abramelin working. I would say it went VERY well. There was a very strong presence and very clear communication I specifically asked him about some lore that is not online or in books that I had been trying to hunt down for ages. Well he told me the answer in exact words, which checked out to the letter when I confirmed it with another (far more experienced) magician. I found Lucifer to be quite friendly. I would definatly say some Appollo (as was discussed earlier in this thread) aspect there.. I quite enjoyed the working with Lucifer and learned much about him. It was a full day working and went very well. I also engraved his seal into 2 rubies that day, and that worked very well!

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post Apr 26 2006, 08:52 AM
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QUOTE(| Kinjo @ Apr 23 2005, 04:02 AM) *
Out of curiosity, anyone ever tried summoning Lucifer would like to share their experience?


Greetings kinjo,

Summon him? I have been trying to get rid of the bastard (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evilB.gif) !

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post May 14 2006, 12:25 PM
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Really, though, would Big L, as you call him, really be bothered by a petty summoner? If I was something of that power, I would just send a higher level demon to take care of you. It would probably take a decent size crowd (like every Satanist in the US) to summon him.


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post May 31 2006, 10:00 AM
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Lucifer is neither evil nor dark, Lucifer is an entity of revelation, wisdom, they call him traitor, the fallen one, but really all he did was free all angels who didnt want to be lesser, under somebody, he gave us freedom and free will.God is the bad guy in the whole story, think obout it- he flood the world, he is the angry one."the only god". Lucifer (the snake) gave us eyes to see, so.......see the truth!!!

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post May 31 2006, 10:06 AM
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If it was not for Lucifer all of us would be slaves to an egoistik god! Be gratefull for your freedom, be gratefull for your eyes.He is not evil but if you f.... with him oround he will be...on your occount that is. People are still blind, thats why this world is full of sit!!!

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post Jun 29 2006, 01:56 PM
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Wow I like this thread (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif). I learned a lot of things! That was a pretty informative post Mr. Merlin, well actually a few lol, and what an experience BYM! I however don't have any experiences with Lucifer, which I hope to have in the near future.
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post Jun 29 2006, 09:06 PM
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QUOTE(LordCorpusOpium @ May 31 2006, 12:06 PM) *
If it was not for Lucifer all of us would be slaves to an egoistik god! Be gratefull for your freedom, be gratefull for your eyes.He is not evil but if you f.... with him oround he will be...on your occount that is. People are still blind, thats why this world is full of sit!!!


that's actually a pretty christian rooted point of view. The Gnostics, for instance, believe that the snake was in fact the divine messenger, rather than anything analogous to the christian Lucifer.

Taking an objective, religiously neutral stance, Lucifer from the mythos does seem to represent intellectual evolution. In the Bible - actually a pretty interesting book when you get past the story and into the symbolism, as with most 'holy' books - God, and his messengers, seem more interested in the advancement of the human heart, whereas Lucifer seems more concerned with the Intellect. As we all know, the heart and the brain are often in conflict, and I find it of interesting note that the same conflict is mirrored in most books.

Most magicians who have been around the block once or twice would probably agree that there is much to be gained from resolving the conflict and balancing the Intellect with the Heart, or perhaps Intuition. Certainly his position as the 'morning star' connotes an illumination, but to say that God is the bad guy and Lucifer is really the good guy, is maybe somewhat premature. Intellect alone leads to an empty place, and perhaps that is the message intended by warning mankind away from following Lucifer. On the other hand, Intuition alone is somewhat impotent and leads to a place of stagnant existence. Intuition guides us to the truth, Intellect allows us to understand it (remember that the serpent did counsel mankind to eat of the tree of Knowledge).

As for summoning Lucifer - Any magician of any level of 'power' can summon any entity. The act of involving oneself in the intentional observation of a spiritual archetype naturally connects the consciousness to that entity. Even if it is lucifer. I've invoked God itself before, through devotional meditation. Having a body, and human consciousness, comes with a few perks, being that living beings alone are the embodiment of both sides of the spectrum - the Gross and the Subtle.

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post Jul 4 2006, 01:34 PM
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QUOTE(Wiseone @ May 7 2005, 10:17 PM) *
Well something HUGE did happen back than, something that many...were killed by, I'm not talking about the Ice Age or anything. But this is only from testimonials from other entites that I've spoken with and my dragon.*shrugs* Who knows really?

i no this is completely off the subject but i did try and summon a dragon and devil but i don't no if it worked cuz i have not dun the prayer etc to c them have u got and prayers or anythin to make me c them

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post Jul 8 2006, 06:14 PM
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I for sure have to agree. The concept of Lucifer as an ultimate evil is primitive at best. Going purely by the christian biblical accounts, lucifer is called 'ha satan', which means in a roundabout fashion, 'the adversary'. But taking it farther. When one reads the original hebrew, lucifer is presented more as the essential 'other half' of god. In that, good cannot exist without 'evil'.
I have never seen Lucifer as being evil, no more than I view him as the king of 'hell'. To me, the idea of Lucifer was always a way of explaining two things. First in the Catholic way of thinking. Lucifer is a way to explain bad things happening. In other words, it isn't god who makes bad stuff happen, it's the DEVIL. Yeah, okay, whatever. It's one of the reasons I don't like Catholics.
In the philosophical vein of thinking, Lucifer is the essential opposite of god. Basically, when god made humanity, he wished us to understand the difference between 'good' and 'evil'.
Now, I use the terms good and evil very loosely. But summoning Lucifer in my opinion is really just an act of tapping into the intellect, or logic, of humanity. Evoking God would be contacting our emotions.
It's the difference, in Freud's methodology, between the Id and Superego. One is the primitive feeling and desire, the other is the logic that guides it. Neither can exist without the other in my opinion. I feel that Lucifer in no more evil, or god no more good, than the light bulb and the switch that controls it. But that is just my opinion. I of course could be wrong, and Lucifer is really a talking snake that want's us to eat more apples.


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post Jul 9 2006, 11:36 AM
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all is based on FREE WILL... You consider Satan as bad, you are still alive. You consider God to be bad you are still alive...

My opinion is that if you are stong in your mind, you will know what to choose... Good is here for a purpose as is evil. These serve as foundation to the free will we are blessed with.

Its us humans that have to choose...

So if someone is prepared to summon Lucifer, know through what you have to pass and always be strong in you mind.. :-) If Lucifer is kind to you, use his kindness judicially.... and dont be fooled by any other entity trying to mimic him.. There is no reason you should like punish someone being kind to you only cause the bibles says so... be the judge yourself according you what you sense... now be clever to know any hidden agendas too :-)



Let me tell you a little story i read about, you can find a scorpion drowing in a pool of water and out of pity you take it out.. while doing so the scorpion bites you... You try again and it bites you...The thing is that the scorpion was made of the sort that it bites you... If you are real caring, even if you get bitten, you will take a stick and remove the insect out of the pool and not expect it to kiss you in exchange...

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post Aug 13 2006, 09:50 AM
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It appears to me that Bym has a wonderfull and realistic story...
But beyond the morals i want to ask Bym something...In the grand grimoire, the Great conjuration does not seem to me complete...I mean it ends in the word " etc."...I want to ask Bym what words he used or better said he would of used in the grand conjuration(the words of the great key)...

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I just now noticed this thread after many moons and wish to apologise for not responding sooner!
If your copy of the Grand Conjuration ends with 'etc.' then I'd look at the current rendition you have. My copy(ies) of the Legemeton are all somewhat different. Some of the newer texts have the entire body of the Conjurations written in Enochian! I do believe that this was done by Crowley...? I don't like it. Rankine and Skinner have just completed works on the Enochian system that claim to have 'fixed' some of the errors inherent in the version of the Golden Dawn et al. When I was using the Lemegeton to evoke Lucifer I used the conjurations taken from the manuscripts and then added certain personal variables of my own invention to have the conjurations align themselves with my present (at that time) situation. Not to be pissy about it but no, I'm not going to share those variables with the general public. Suffice it to say that one should follow the prescribed formula but make allowances for the various aspects of the one utilizing the ritual. Meditate on that. Most of you are creative enough to manifest the proper 'flow'. I believe that one should use the recipe(first) before branching off into variations on a theme. Happy Trails! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


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post Dec 6 2006, 04:31 AM
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It's ok...
I just found out the end of the conjuration from a manuscript i just recived dating to the 18 century...Plus i really apreciate the secretive guys ..that is what makes magic...magicK! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


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post Dec 7 2006, 01:48 PM
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I find it very funny that people that don't spend a great deal of time on studying translations and biblical and ancient text could be so sure of how the relationship of Lucifer and Satan is. Off the top of my head I label Lucifer as a seperate creation from God. An unknown type character that is symbolic of pride and light.

But the biblical text labels satan as that old serpent the devil, a liar from the beginning. And it also says that he roams the earth like a roaring lian seeking whom he may devour. I believe God created satan so that we humans could experience evil. Which is why you see Job and God communicating like buisness in the book of Job. It is a possibility that Lucifer was once a great angel that fail because he wanted to be like God. And now he is just mistaken as being Lucifer and Satan rather than just Lucifer in his own heaven. It doesn't mean he is evil but rather prideful. I really dont know for sure. The bible's mis translations and unsteady ways to describe these things make it hard to get some truth from it. I can only speculate until God or something higher tells me the truth.

If someone has goting the answers from a higher source like God, a demon or angel than please tell me. I don't want to hear your personal opinion but what a higher power has told you thanks it would be gladly appreciated.

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QUOTE(Kenspiracy @ Dec 7 2006, 02:48 PM) *
If someone has goting the answers from a higher source like God, a demon or angel than please tell me. I don't want to hear your personal opinion but what a higher power has told you thanks it would be gladly appreciated.


The information gleamed from my angelic contacts is different from much that has been posted here. From what I have gathered the popular names for the Christan "devil" are actually different demons.

Each one corresponds to a certain vibration or energy signature within your own soul. The demons didn't put it there or anything but their own inherent energy has the same vibration as it does so by working with them you can work with what is within.

Lucifer corresponds to false pride
Satan corresponds to anger
Beelzebub corresponds to gluttany

Each is a separate demon entity.


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One gets a call from Astaroth to summon Lucifer and is guided to a place out of doors where Lucifer invisibly awaits by Flauros. Lucifer prefers public spaces such as sportsfields. If one invokes him in early evening he bestows a vision of some public structure, a buiilding, a monument, a field, sometimes a tent, a fence, a natural feature, maybe a loading bay at a warehouse. This lets one know The Lord of This World is present.
At first summoning he is reserved and distrustful, but after you calll His Mightiness a few times you start feeling personally loyal to him, also he begins to trust you, and the relationship becomes quite meaningful. He has a very fatherly and comforting presence and helps you through any crisis you might be having, and can change the Government of the country, a point of tact one can call him Your MIghtiness but avoid any title dealing with exaltation or merit. He is strong and likable and it is good to tell him you enjoy his company which is certain to occur. You always feel stronger and more confident after meeting him. You can raise a topic with Lucifer and then take it home and pray about the matter to God and the difference is with Lucifer you are involved in the part of it that has to do with the Earth whereas with God you are concerned with the aspect that concerns the rest of creation as well as the Earth. Be sincere and truthful, you never know why Lucifer wants you to report to him, my estimate is that he wants to find out what human beings react to in the stream of facts he can see. Never approach Lucifer thinking you are smarter or better than others. You can if you like approve people having some quality you have, say left handedness or high intelligence, you will then meet a lot of left handed people or highly intelligent people. If you want to put other people down you will meet people who put you down. Always approve, endorse, value other people highly and be clear about what you like in them when in the presence of Lucifer. You will want to invoke him more often.
I hold a stick of incense above my head and recite the name nine times, command Lucifer to place his spirit in my flesh, his mind in my mind, and his will in my will then obey instructions. The interview can last for a minute or an hour, always strengthening and reassuring.
I submissively invoke Goetia the exact same way minus the guidance and the incense.

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post Apr 16 2009, 04:28 PM
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Well,i Didnt summon Lucifer before although this is one of the tasks that i would do in the near future,i remember having a dream of being given three swords that everyone of them holds the number 6 ,I know that there is a great power attributed to lucifer,I was once having a bath and I cut myself shaving,then with the blood i drawn three sixes 666 on the mirror (for the sake of playing) and later on a huge problem occured that would have evolved to a disaster,although to summon Lucifer with any prejudice is to induce his enemity,I was wondering if someone have previous experience with lucifer and tell how he is summoned,probably people atacked by lucifer had a prejudice of some sort about him.
Lucifer means the Light bearer,and in some time of human history he was called the morning star and attributed to (venus) as a refrence to vanity.,I guess if there is some luciferians here they would give us information about him.

what about summoning Lucifer by means of the abra-melin ritual..?


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post Apr 16 2009, 04:50 PM
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I am a Luciferian and Asetianist, please allow me to comment on this subject in hopes that I may shed Light on some of the misunderstandings I am reading here:

The word Lucifer is found in only one place in the Bible -- Isaiah 14:12 -- but only in the King James and related versions: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! . . ." The New Revised Standard Version translates the same passage as "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, Son of Dawn!" In other translations we find: "O shining star of the dawn!" (Moffatt) or "O morning-star, son of the dawn!" (Hebrew Bible). The King James Version is based on the Vulgate, the Latin translation of Jerome. Jerome translated the Hebrew helel (bright or brilliant one) as "lucifer," which was a reasonable Latin equivalent. And yet it is this lucifer, the bright one or lightbearer, that came to be understood by so many as the name for Satan, Lord of Darkness.

Lucifer is not an Adversary as the word Satan (Shaiten) describes
Lucifer is the 'Bringer of Light' in other words Lux Lucis (Lucifer) is gnosis, truth and Divine knowledge.
Lucifer makes His debut in the Testaments as the Serpent in the Garden of Eden pointing out to Eve that God is a liar and you will not die if you eat of the fruit of knowledge, which she did and did not die.
Lucifer brought us the Truth and our Free Will, shows us the way to either be One with God or to be a God our self

Lucifer est lux lucis

Lucifer is the god of progress and intellectual inquiry, not only the divine inspiration behind the spiritual enlightenment of the Gnostic and the heretic and the lover of God in all his/her forms.
Through Lucifer's spirit humanity first climbed down from the trees and has represented the flow of progress ever since.

But Lucifer may be more than a metaphor for rebellion, enlightenment and advancement - as the pure creative and motive light, Lucifer may actually be the key to life itself . . .

The DNA within the nuclei of all cells of living creatures contains biophotons or ultra-weak proton emissions - in other words, light!
A dynamic web of light constantly released and absorbed by the DNA connects cells, tissues and organs and serve as the organism's main communication network.

Lucifer is on the move inside you and me, chattering between cell and cell, rousing the cohorts of the life-force, keeping us alive and wonderful. Every man and woman is a star - and now we know we have our own inner light.


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QUOTE(Ankhhape @ Apr 16 2009, 05:50 PM) *

I am a Luciferian and Asetianist, please allow me to comment on this subject in hopes that I may shed Light on some of the misunderstandings I am reading here:

The word Lucifer is found in only one place in the Bible -- Isaiah 14:12 -- but only in the King James and related versions: "How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! . . ." The New Revised Standard Version translates the same passage as "How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, Son of Dawn!" In other translations we find: "O shining star of the dawn!" (Moffatt) or "O morning-star, son of the dawn!" (Hebrew Bible). The King James Version is based on the Vulgate, the Latin translation of Jerome. Jerome translated the Hebrew helel (bright or brilliant one) as "lucifer," which was a reasonable Latin equivalent. And yet it is this lucifer, the bright one or lightbearer, that came to be understood by so many as the name for Satan, Lord of Darkness.

Lucifer is not an Adversary as the word Satan (Shaiten) describes
Lucifer is the 'Bringer of Light' in other words Lux Lucis (Lucifer) is gnosis, truth and Divine knowledge.
Lucifer makes His debut in the Testaments as the Serpent in the Garden of Eden pointing out to Eve that God is a liar and you will not die if you eat of the fruit of knowledge, which she did and did not die.
Lucifer brought us the Truth and our Free Will, shows us the way to either be One with God or to be a God our self

Lucifer est lux lucis

Lucifer is the god of progress and intellectual inquiry, not only the divine inspiration behind the spiritual enlightenment of the Gnostic and the heretic and the lover of God in all his/her forms.
Through Lucifer's spirit humanity first climbed down from the trees and has represented the flow of progress ever since.

But Lucifer may be more than a metaphor for rebellion, enlightenment and advancement - as the pure creative and motive light, Lucifer may actually be the key to life itself . . .

The DNA within the nuclei of all cells of living creatures contains biophotons or ultra-weak proton emissions - in other words, light!
A dynamic web of light constantly released and absorbed by the DNA connects cells, tissues and organs and serve as the organism's main communication network.

Lucifer is on the move inside you and me, chattering between cell and cell, rousing the cohorts of the life-force, keeping us alive and wonderful. Every man and woman is a star - and now we know we have our own inner light.


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post Apr 17 2009, 01:50 PM
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Ankhape,I am enlightened by your post.there is much truth in it.
thanks

but what's the point of quoting his words without commenting on it..?
anyway,intresting topic

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personally evil and good are just relative terms.


sure, there are things which are relatively good or bad for you.

Lucifer, however, i would definately classify as dark.

Even though he is the "light bringer" He was plastered as the face of evil.
The mythos surrounding him has become obscure.

I do not however classify him as evil or good.

he is merely what he is, and that is difficult to understand.

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Lucifer is very complicated but I dont believe he is evil at all nor bad

well bad for fun maybe haha (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

but I believe he have some morals _ I did saw him but no wings really kind but sad i think he want to communicate or something
but the problems are imposter so i think he is sad because of that also but I believe that everyone moves away when he arrives also.

I'm Loyal to God Lucifer and will stay as such and no one can break that even if they kidnapped me man I fight back
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I think Lucifer is misunderstood but for me a good guy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

On Enkist site I was not welcomed But Lucifer I'm always loyal he know i will be back thats why he maybe left me to
explore after all i'm still very young a lot to learn (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

you no need to be afraid of Lucifer he is realy kind and warm (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy033.gif)


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QUOTE(Laila @ Nov 1 2013, 03:15 AM) *

Lucifer is very complicated but I dont believe he is evil at all nor bad

well bad for fun maybe haha (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

but I believe he have some morals _ I did saw him but no wings really kind but sad i think he want to communicate or something
but the problems are imposter so i think he is sad because of that also but I believe that everyone moves away when he arrives also.

I'm Loyal to God Lucifer and will stay as such and no one can break that even if they kidnapped me man I fight back
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I think Lucifer is misunderstood but for me a good guy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

On Enkist site I was not welcomed But Lucifer I'm always loyal he know i will be back thats why he maybe left me to
explore after all i'm still very young a lot to learn (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

you no need to be afraid of Lucifer he is realy kind and warm (IMG:style_emoticons/default/happy033.gif)


hehe Lucy-chan is is full of jokes I think he will test me again because I was out so long haha (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) oh well he is funny we dont hate each other nor are we enemy i dont see him like that at all ..... but I dont care he is cute XD I allowed him, he is awesome XD

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