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Casadeluna
post May 3 2009, 11:21 AM
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well its not sex im addicted to, nor should i use the words addiction, or the act of vile and disgusting acts humans can perform...but rather the energy i woman exhibits being completely unclothed. phiscally spiritually,m,,,,why jsut the other night his girl was all up in my grill and yes my friends it was a turn off...she merely wanted my phiscal body...its as if every girl i meet who is naked inside i fall madly in love with, not the love where you stalk them, not the love where you can't get them out of your minds, but the love that burns inside your stomach, eating you untill their skin touches yours, its almost a curse i've been born and breed with with, and only now i am figuring out how to make it a gift....the point of this topic is, does this happen to anyone else.? this is by no means a egoteric issue, i have no pride in this weird phenomonin, i only acknowlege its existance withing me, and within others,,,i think...so spill me your thoughts


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post May 3 2009, 09:41 PM
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Although I understand the desire to understand oneself, and what makes our insides do what they do, I can say with reasonable certainty that this is primarily a hormonal thing.

That isn't to say that hormones don't influence our energy and visa versa, the two are reciprocal, so there is something energetic going on at the same time. However, this phenomenon is fairly universal to young people in general, less so in older people. I'm saying that its basically a teenage thing, so enjoy it while it lasts, or begin some practice to keep yourself youthful, like qigong, tai chi, etc. Some taoist sexual alchemy practices can help ignite these kinds of feelings later on as well, desire tends to wane with age.

A particularly unique phenomenon though, or metaphysically significant in the sense that it is outside the norm behaviorally, it is not. The fact that it is less about physical sex/looks or whatever, is a good thing and shows a degree of psychological maturity, but doesn't make it 'psychic'.

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post May 4 2009, 08:34 AM
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ah, the hunger-lust!!! - like seeing a china buffet sign (even if you're already full)!

hormone-driven physical need meets unspoken spiritual desire

the physical need is for the opposite hormone, but the spiritual desire, usually from a past life, is to have such a non-physical love again that provides a 'completeness'

mmmmm...'innocent love'! - ranks right up there with 'innocent truth' in my book

"Innocent child,
how ...you thought...you knew me,
under-stood...my ways,
my...dark needs,
the hunt...is not the...thrill I'm after,
I want the kill...the conquest,
to be...your master,
wrap...your arms...around my pale skin,
it's...too late...to back out...you're in,
on...your knees...and praise your new lord,
deeper now,...and here's your re-ward,

take me to bed and rip me apart...

take me to bed and rip me apart...

take me to bed and rip me apart...

..." - london after midnight, the bondage song

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post May 4 2009, 02:11 PM
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how curious indeed...passion and the fire it brings...well thank you for the lustrous response Theoricus ...i dont believe age has to do with much of anything...well some things of course...but, its like a vortex, and once you step one foot in...your already at the bottom...or top... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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post May 4 2009, 06:18 PM
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Wow I didn't know guys could get like that after sex. . . (IMG:style_emoticons/default/hmm.gif)

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post May 4 2009, 07:18 PM
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interestingly enough im a virgin, by choice
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post May 6 2009, 11:33 PM
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thats ok casa. so am i (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) that doesn't mean i don't LOVE the feeling of sexual pleasure...or sheer naked freedom. i do not feel an ounce of guilt enjoying my body the way i do. I know i am beautiful, and many men have told me this...its a choice in celebration of my sexuality...as i am sure it is for you too. i decided that i wanted to love someone before i shared such a sacred thing as sex. when the time comes it will come...i have made peace with that. i, too, love woman's body. who wouldn't? that is the very goddess's essence. so conscious of its beauty and erotic power, its not even fair. But men have a beauty all of their own as well.

Still, all my friends joke that i put sex and love on a pedestal. yes, all these things are physical and can be messy and uncomfortable as well as pleasurable and surreal...but this is the very reason i consider it divine and precious. i think its perfectly sane to wait for the right person. after all, I consider it to be one of the Great Initiations into human interconnectedness.

for two twisting bodies, to join...
to mold and melt into one whole,
and then to melt back into individual
echos of this Single Union
out of a million
flesh to flesh
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.....only to never see each other again? thanks it was fun goodbye? i don't think so.

but of course when i'm finally committed, i'll run my partner to the ground to make up for all the years i waited for him or her (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
you should know....virgins are dirty dirty DIRTY perverts.

"the vile and disgusting acts humans can perform"

however, i am not sure repugnance is an appropriate feeling at all...this suggests deeper conflicts and repression. this line worries me, friend (IMG:style_emoticons/default/help.gif) perhaps exploring the reason behind this disgust will shed new light into what is really bothering you?

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post May 7 2009, 11:13 PM
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Nothing wrong with being repulsed by sex. I have no deep-seated issues at all.

Nope.

Not one!

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post May 9 2009, 05:39 AM
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there is nothing disgusting about sexual frenzy or lust,the feeling some of us have after sex ..regret disgust....etc is because the domination of being raised religiously,they keep telling us...sex is wrong,taboo...etc tell we grow up with complexities,we desire it yet we hold it in a taboo mind frame,the cure is,to know that sex is life,its continuity of our species,the bed is sacred more than church,and every act of fornication is a hymn to God..
yet dont distinguish between body pleasures and spiritual pleasure they usually activate each other.
Live long,fornicate alot...be happy.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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post May 19 2009, 01:02 PM
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there are millions of ways of expressing love with another person, i've never had sex so i can't tell you about the phisycal pleasure it brings, but personallyl yeah i've had experiances, dancing, moving, chanting, i duno, all feel so close, so connected, i dont think you need to break aphysical barrior to do so although i'm sure you can, so why have sex? cuz its fun? i duno, it seems like the only point would be to create a child, the great feeling is like a biproduct of it lol? not sure, but it reminds of a line from spiderma "with great power comes great responsibility, just because you can, does it mean you should? the devil/evil one/tempter is quiet the trickster, im sure if i find my female counterpart i'll share with her my body as well as soul, but i can find a reason to love everywoman? ah life is very confusing, untill i find the lady who treads warm love through my nightmares i will remain unscathed by another, not to say i havn't commited my fair share of sins.

being naked rocks

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post May 19 2009, 07:28 PM
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QUOTE(Casadeluna @ May 19 2009, 03:02 PM) *

there are millions of ways of expressing love with another person, i've never had sex so i can't tell you about the phisycal pleasure it brings, but personallyl yeah i've had experiances, dancing, moving, chanting, i duno, all feel so close, so connected, i dont think you need to break aphysical barrior to do so although i'm sure you can, so why have sex? cuz its fun? i duno, it seems like the only point would be to create a child, the great feeling is like a biproduct of it lol? not sure, but it reminds of a line from spiderma "with great power comes great responsibility, just because you can, does it mean you should? the devil/evil one/tempter is quiet the trickster, im sure if i find my female counterpart i'll share with her my body as well as soul, but i can find a reason to love everywoman? ah life is very confusing, untill i find the lady who treads warm love through my nightmares i will remain unscathed by another, not to say i havn't commited my fair share of sins.

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It is true, in my experience (it could just be the way I am personally built) that breaking that 'physical barrier' does create a lasting connection between yourself and that person - not necessarily a connection you want to have in every single case. Waiting is certainly worth it; I can't say I did the same, but there are times I wish I had. At the same time, I believe in a universal love, and even those times I've spent only one night with a person, I never did it unless I felt they shared my sense of cosmic love. Pros and Cons, I suppose, everyone has to trust their own instincts, because we're all built the same, but we're all built differently at the same time. Being human is a funny thing most of the time.

I can't say however that I agree that the 'devil' or the appropriately comparable force in creation, necessarily has a hand in all such mutual pleasures not reserved for 'the one'. Sex is not just for making children - although we are not animals, almost every semi-cognizant or comparably conscious animal engages in sex or fornication as a form of social activity, a way to bond. Sex is that between two partners (or more if that is your thing), a means of bonding, of seeking greater consciousness within one another, of pressing existential boundaries and discovering eternity in the body. Of course this is going to go further with your final partner than with anyone else, but it is possible to have a powerful resonance with someone and want to seek that bonding experience with them, without necessarily desiring to own them. To me this is what 'relationship' in the sense that we often mean it when we talk about a 'significant other', is really about. We all want home, territory (well most of us anyway), we want to belong and for someone else to belong to us. It's a double edged sword because this 'trickster' (my definition is likely different but I recognize a comparable natural force) wants you to feel such a thing is possible, that you can own another person, or that you need to be owned in some way. That spiritual shackle is as real as any other this force would manipulate you into. That isn't to say that relationships are false, etc., but rather that we must be sure that when we idealize something like Sex and reserve it strictly for that special relationship, that we still have the right idea about the nature of relationships to other people. Just because you have sex with someone, somewhere down the road, does not mean that you own them or visa versa - yet this is what it means to (for those that I've known personally long enough to hear them say it) the majority of those practicing 'abstinence until marriage' as it were, although 'marriage' doesn't always mean the exact same definition to everyone.

You certainly shouldn't settle in this area of experience in your life - but you should maintain a realistic (not pessimistic, but honest) view of what that relationship will mean. Understand that when you feel it is time, and you are ready to make that leap, possibly with someone else who is also waiting for the same moment, that afterwards it does not make either one of you the property of the other. In my opinion, that is really the only pitfall associated with this abstinence view. Sex does deserve a pedestal, all other experiences are compared to it ("it was better than sex", is an example of this manifesting), and it is the height of mutual experience between two people - not because of the physical act itself, but because of everything else that is going on within that act, which does not have to take place along with it, but is 'brought down to earth' by it. Sex is an act of invocation, and we can experience the same thing peripherally (experience talking) but it is no the same. This is a classical difference in views - ascending to the divine, and calling down the divine.

And I can tell you, sex without that component, barely constitutes physical pleasure.

Personally, reading what you have to say so far sounds like on some level you degrade sex, rather than exalt it. While it seems counter intuitive you ask questions like "Why, cuz it's fun?" That is indicative of an attitude that does not give Sex the respect that you are claiming. I'm not attacking you, just suggesting, even if you are going to practice abstinence, be cautious of considering sex a sin, or relegating it down to the level of other base acts, because it is not those things, and although worth waiting for, whatever experiences you have so far, they don't compare to having the same experiences with True Sex added to them - and you won't be able to have that experience unless you can acknowledge and accept that act as divine in origin.

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post May 23 2009, 08:48 PM
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post May 23 2009, 10:00 PM
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I don't think sex is innately more significant than eating. Relegate it where you will.

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