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post Nov 16 2010, 03:09 AM
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I have a serious problem. I suffer from schitzofrenia and my symptoms are that I start to imagine that I hurt people with my magickal powers unwillingly. Or I cannot really say unwillingly because my will it is that operates but I just can't control it. I might spend hours on thinking of a friends child and fighting in my mind not to hurt him. Or in the street i see people and think I'll kill them with my psychic powers. I am a peaceful man and would never hurt anyone physically but these thoughts have been bothering me for years. Any ideas on how to conquer them?


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post Nov 16 2010, 03:39 AM
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I have a serious problem. I suffer from schitzofrenia and my symptoms are that I start to imagine that I hurt people with my magickal powers unwillingly


What's your formal diagnosis


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Or in the street i see people and think I'll kill them with my psychic powers


What form of murder do you prefer to engage in.

How many have you killed already.

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post Nov 16 2010, 03:56 AM
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What's your formal diagnosis
What form of murder do you prefer to engage in.

How many have you killed already.


My formal diagnosis is undifferntiated schitzofrenia. I usually never get to murdering anyone, i just hang in there with the thoughts of hurting people. I have killed people though in my rituals, witches that have attacked me and some innocent people as i have panicked in psychosis.

Not physically of course but astral murder is as bad, you just don't go to jail for it.

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post Nov 16 2010, 06:00 PM
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Not physically of course but astral murder is as bad, you just don't go to jail for it.


Did you ever check on their physical symptoms. After ritual. I have two companions who are diagnosed with schizophrenia.

Two options I can think of:
One: keep killing people, eventually you'll get somebody's attention and they'll stop you

Two: ask for a heavier medication that shuts off your senses

2.5: Rip your own energy receptors to pieces. It won't kill you, but it should, if you do it right shut your functions down. You won't be able to do anything to them unless if you try to use physical means to harm them.

3: Just hang in there and monitor the way you progress into such states and just stop.

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post Nov 17 2010, 12:04 PM
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Dude, have you cursed someone in the past?
i ask you because your have all the symptoms of a nasty curse meant to teach someone a lesson,
since it is quite severe i would assume it's the karma of an action you might have taken,
what magical skill an undertaking did you possess before going down-hill?
If you can work through the root causes for this disruption you can usually nuturalise it,
don't let your fears take hold of you, if you feel like your mind i unwillingly focusing on things then try to karm down and keep your mind busy,
what you need to generate hear is a little faith that the things that are happening around you will start to
stop coinciding with reality progressively really soon.

Have you ever bound your-self (or another) from doing harm? other spells resently or in any way conected?
or any other information would be beneficial.

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post Nov 17 2010, 04:02 PM
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What form of karma are you working under? I'm assuming its the hindu/buddhist one arbitrarily, so I'm kinda confused.

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post Nov 17 2010, 04:49 PM
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No, think the Kath/altpath- Reactions of the higher-self model, check out the thread Karma For The Left Handers.

I'm not entirely sure what i believe, but sometimes Karma can to seemingly quite unethical things to seemingly innocent people.
We all have a good splodge of trans-personal mind within us and it has access to all we know an more,
We dictate to that part what is 'right' to happen to every individual person including ourselves by our individual actions that effect others.
To that part of our mind or soul when we do something to somebody it is then OK for the same to happen in any number of other situations, even if it contrary to the goals of the individual.

From a different angle, when a magical event happens it is often followed by three other events, all with slightly different effects but are fundamentally similar.
This is often revered to as a ripple effect.
Consider the four elements as the means of spirit actualizing, then consider that most magical wills are set to actualize only a single event/effect.
When the effects of the missing three are not considered when actualizing a will their is a lot of potential for undesired results.
Ceremonial Magicians often forget the very reason for rites like the LBRP, (this is merely speculation as i have not performed this rite)
DIY enthusiasts like I have to find out the hard way.

If Endless is indeed suffering from some kind of Karma along these lines then the initial actions may give clues to the nature of the will which is upon him.

On that note ;Endless, if their other magic users have been involved, either real or just perceived the details of them and any magic cast between you could help.
I know it must be hard to awaken some of the memory's of these times, let alone broadcast them online, but their is still a lot of hope for you.
What has been done can be undone.

You said you killed witch's for some reason,
If the most simplest of theory's is considered, that powerful beliefs make powerful effects, then you will almost definitely be paying your karma
To put it another way, those witch's probably had a friend that experienced those people die around him/her with no way to prevent it, helpless.
If that man or woman were to simply have a belief in karma then you will be receiving yours now, their could be any number of innocent people bringing this to your life.
I will consider what you could do to prevent this;
1) Killing yourself could likely make a number of people you don't even know commit suicide, not to mention people in your own life.
2) Prescribed Medication, I am dubious as to weather this would stop you from 'killing'.
3) Illegal Drugs, It's might be possible to self-medicate some acid and re-balance your-self but i suspect your frame of mind and lack of experience would make this almost impossible.
4) Ritual, i think this may be your best shot, although it's success will depend on your state of mind and your undetermined level of skill may present a problem.
5) Pray, Pray to the most powerful and benevolent spirit your mind can grasp, offer it everything you are and will be for your salvation.

Maybe a bit of 3 and 5. You are the root cause of this but it now involves a multitude of people, you were foolish but the price you are paying is barbaric.

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post Nov 17 2010, 06:40 PM
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Sorry to Hijack this thread, unless if we should take this elsewhere, but who are we as individuals ultimately chained to reality to define and claim one can understand the ebb and flow of past, present, and future all at once.
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From a different angle, when a magical event happens it is often followed by three other events, all with slightly different effects but are fundamentally similar.

Is this empirical? Is it always three? I've killed before, and it never involved sets of three. Of course, if i went out of my way to count the threes, that'll happen.

I kind of have a problem with this superstition probably because the one time I brought it to one of my mentors, it was ripped out of my mind and I got slapped repeatedly for bringing something so 'foolish' to them. I'd say that logical theory and foresight aren't quite as naturally connected as we feel they may be?


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You said you killed witch's for some reason,

Well, as of now, we can't be sure just yet, perhaps we should wait till he responds?

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You are the root cause of this but it now involves a multitude of people, you were foolish but the price you are paying is barbaric.


We've all killed a number of people through neglect, or accidentally, intention there or not, we have. I'd say that being alive and fairly functional after having done stuff to people, I'd say that it appears that the horrors of killing is what feels more like a concern of the living rather than that of anything.

Draw? Don't take the stuff I say personally, I just don't quite get stuff a lot of the time

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post Nov 22 2010, 03:04 PM
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Is this empirical? Is it always three? I've killed before, and it never involved sets of three. Of course, if i went out of my way to count the threes, that'll happen.

I kind of have a problem with this superstition probably because the one time I brought it to one of my mentors, it was ripped out of my mind and I got slapped repeatedly for bringing something so 'foolish' to them. I'd say that logical theory and foresight aren't quite as naturally connected as we feel they may be?



I'm making assumptions here, your quite right that the act of observing is a factor it's-self,
the topic of Karma is a dodgy one at he best of times, because it's interpreted in a multitude of ways, which is why i gave three different perspectives on it, i don't know.

I have personally observed with hindsight the effect of three's as prominent, but i have observed plenty of times when it wasn't, or it came as a single polar opposite.
I sometimes refer to karma when i should refer to 'Unintended effects'

Your mentors might well have been justifyed in what they did as the 'karma' that you brought with you could well have been a one of the many very silly versions that permeate our society

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Draw? Don't take the stuff I say personally, I just don't quite get stuff a lot of the time

Don't be silly, it's better to argue an then understand than agree and never get it (both ways), i do talk some crap sometimes anyway!

It worry's me that their are probably a lot of people out their that could be unintentionally killing with magic, the mental health system is not prepared for cases like this,
I remember seeing a new's report of a man who worked in a nursing home who was witnessed saying 'i hate the night shifts, someone always dies at 2:30 when i do a night shift'
and that night an old lady died at 2:30 and the man was arrested for murder, it struck me as a paranormal phenomenon for many reasons, but primarily because he blamed it on a demon.
One day our society will have to tackle the problem of spiritual crime, clearly a hard crime to prove, an even harder crime to punish.


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