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Xochipilli
post Jul 9 2007, 11:08 PM
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I read a bit about psionics and loads of people say it can be used to cause targets to have accidents and the likes. If thats true then how come not one crazy bastard has got his hands of a radionics machine and used it to make a famous actor they don't like have an accident? It wouldn't exactly be hard to get a picture of the target and since thats all you need wouldn't the real unpopular actors famous actors be at serious risk since everybody in the world can get a picture of them?

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I read a bit about psionics and loads of people say it can be used to cause targets to have accidents and the likes. If thats true then how come not one crazy bastard has got his hands of a radionics machine and used it to make a famous actor they don't like have an accident? It wouldn't exactly be hard to get a picture of the target and since thats all you need wouldn't the real unpopular actors famous actors be at serious risk since everybody in the world can get a picture of them?



Because of one simple fact.... THEY ARE ALL WITCHES AND HAVE PROTECTION!!!! lol JK.

But seriously, most people have better things to do with their time. Or the simple fact that there my be a more powerful magician (who actually likes the actor) who is a big fan is casting all kinds of protection. Theories Numbers 1 and 2 posted ^^


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post Jul 10 2007, 09:02 AM
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I thought of that but what about the really unpopular actors and singers and bands. Take some of those shit pop bands that everyone hates. Theres not that many people that know about psionics and have a radionics box but theres enough that a percentage of them would be the kind of people that hate these shit teen pop bands enough to want to cause some trouble. Why hasn't Brittney Spears been run down by a bus by now? Who the hell likes Britney Spears?

I'm not saying psionics doesn't exist I'm just wondering why famous people aren't targettied by it.

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Um... maybe because the people with the talent and inclination to do such a thing, simply don't care to waste it on such a pointless affair...

I have never met a psychic, magician, psion, etc., of a reasonable capacity and power, who would concern themselves with such a childish waste of their time and potential. That's the sort of thing you'd do just to prove you could do it.

A better question would be why it hasn't been done on a seedy government official...

But in any case, using psionics to kill is a waste. Murder is wrong no matter what, a lot of people just think that if you could get away with it, it suddenly isn't wrong anymore. Maybe everyone has a little sociopath inside them.

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post Jul 10 2007, 12:25 PM
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I'm talking about the way it is. Not the way you'd like it to be. Personally I'd much rather think it was impossible to kill someone with psionics because sooner or later a radionics box will fall into the wrong hands and if every scumbag knew about psionics there'd be people having mysterious accidents all the time. Not everybody cares about what some people consider "right" and "wrong". This guy seems to be a psionics pioneer and judging by the stuff he talks about I doubt he'd think twice about using psionics to injure someone. As he says "the wrong hands wrote the book" so it obviously has fallen into the wrong hands.
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I'd like to think if psionics does exist that the people who knew about it would only use it for the right reasons like healing people or making things better but we both know that not everybody that had the ability would use it for those reasons.

Thats an even better example. Wouldn't government officials and presidents be at risk?

Thats just one reason I find it hard to believe that there are people with the power to do things like that psionics. You can say "anybody with the power wouldn't do it because its wrong" or "they have better things to do" and probably thats true in most cases but theres always exceptions.

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post Aug 15 2007, 03:34 PM
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QUOTE(Xochipilli @ Jul 10 2007, 01:25 PM) *
I'm talking about the way it is. Not the way you'd like it to be. Personally I'd much rather think it was impossible to kill someone with psionics because sooner or later a radionics box will fall into the wrong hands and if every scumbag knew about psionics there'd be people having mysterious accidents all the time. Not everybody cares about what some people consider "right" and "wrong". This guy seems to be a psionics pioneer and judging by the stuff he talks about I doubt he'd think twice about using psionics to injure someone. As he says "the wrong hands wrote the book" so it obviously has fallen into the wrong hands.
http://www.geocities.com/c_cosimano/

I'd like to think if psionics does exist that the people who knew about it would only use it for the right reasons like healing people or making things better but we both know that not everybody that had the ability would use it for those reasons.

Thats an even better example. Wouldn't government officials and presidents be at risk?

Thats just one reason I find it hard to believe that there are people with the power to do things like that psionics. You can say "anybody with the power wouldn't do it because its wrong" or "they have better things to do" and probably thats true in most cases but theres always exceptions.


I think in Alister Crowleys book Magick in theory and practice near the chapter on astral travel or the body of light he says something about while its possible to force someone out of their body and kill them is possible and you may be able to do that but when someone is praised and adored it is much harder for someone to do that. I realize this is a psionics part of the forum but my point is if someone is a celebrity its much more likely to be harder for someone to do something to them. If you want more information look on what i said you can check the book i dont remeber much more than what i told you about that. If its not even teh right book i apoligize if its any other it would have been psychic self defense but i dont thikn it was.

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I believe it's entirely possible to kill someone using any form of energy work. Later on... depending on which path you take, you will learn many ways to do just that as I have. But I only leaned as a way to counteract such attacks.


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First of all, I agree. It would be a complete waste of time to go dropping celebrities. Though, there are very likely many people that have been murdered with psionics. It's just subtle. The news would report it as a car wreck, or a suicide, when in fact it may have been completely influenced by a murderous psion somewhere. Famous people are tougher to kill though, because in most cases for every person that hates them there are two that like them. If someone's liked by a lot of people, and especially if these people pray for them, protective thoughtforms may appear. This would make killing them quite difficult.

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post Aug 5 2008, 11:09 AM
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Yeah, it's true dropping celebrities actors and actresses would be clownish. As to the question though, there are numerous and powerful obstacles in the way. The main problem would be this: let's compare it to firing a gun, for the most, most part the gun people would be using would explode in there hands, or would have blanks for ammunition. Secondly, if a person was lucky enough to get a shot off, most likely they would miss, and after missing the target (or even hitting) someone with real power would probably take exception to some yokel shooting at people in their vicinity (and vicinty can be QUITE large) and it would then be all bad for the original attacker.

Having said all that, look at some of the deaths over the years of some of our most controversial/talented celebritries and you have to wonder if there was a person/group/groups going against them, Marilyn Monroe, James Dean, Jimi Hendrix, Jim Morrison, Brandon Lee, and even more recently Heath Ledger.


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post Aug 24 2008, 07:34 PM
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Why is George Bush still alive then?

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Can you prove that he is lol?


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I have only one thing to say- there is saying that sounds something like: "What's in hand, that's in mouth". I like using saying "Thoughts become things.". So- if someone just thinks about something "Without any reason", there is a reason. The only difference is wether his inner demons or angels wants to know the information, or he himself. But NOTHING happens without any reason. That is why i'm reading topics and wandering- are people really using the power they're given to do such things? But, still, it's only up to them to decide how to use their part of "god himself in them". AND- god didn't create heaven warriors without reason...


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I was always under the impression that unstable people couldn't get their hands on psionics in the first place, much less for harm, due to the fact that unstable people have a hard time focuing. It just never seemed to work for me. What am I doing wrong?


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post Nov 17 2009, 10:41 AM
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QUOTE(Xenomancer @ Oct 21 2008, 07:02 AM) *

I was always under the impression that unstable people couldn't get their hands on psionics in the first place, much less for harm, due to the fact that unstable people have a hard time focuing. It just never seemed to work for me. What am I doing wrong?

I'd agree with that

also, not a huge fan of radionics myself, though I will admit that this is based on some very lackluster demonstrations I have seen, which isn't exactly a scientific rebuttal. Basically, i find that I can typically manipulate energy better than someone relying on a radionics device. I honestly think the only effect the things have is the "magic feather" effect (which actually IS relevant to magick practice, but I digress).

I also agree with vagrant, that the only reason you would use psionics to kill someone is just to prove you could... which is itself rather petty, and if you actually knew that you could, there would be no point in doing so. the need to prove things is born of insecurity, not confidence.

I would disagree with vagrant though that 'murder is always wrong', well technically I'd argue that 'killing is not always wrong' whereas murder by definition is unjust (though we could argue about the relativity of ethics as well, but I won't). Basically there could easily arise a situation where killing someone would be the only way to protect oneself or loved ones. If I were capable of psionically killing someone in such a situation, i would neither hesitate, nor regret it.

as for the method of death, sure accidents make sense, but really just something as small as getting a little nugget of platelets to form in someone's heart would be sufficient to kill them. or just telekinetically pinching off the blood flow to their brain, which would drop them almost instantly. I think it is very possible to kill someone magically, it's all a question of efficiency of force. for example, if you were able to magically nudge a penny off the top of a skyscraper, you could kill someone just with that. there are a hundred other possible angles one could approach it from.

also, in another thread elsewhere on the web, on this very topic, someone mentioned that celebrities are somewhat overshadowed by their own fanbase. in other words, they actually are somewhat protected, the adoration of a million people is nothing to sneeze at, magically speaking. It's also interesting to me that when fans turn against a celebrity, the celebrity usually only has about a 50% survival rate. I dunno if that reflects a lack of protective 'oomf', opening them up to attack, or if it is the negative intent of millions which does it. Personally I'd think it's more likely the later, meaning that the source of a celebrity's strength is a fickle guardian which may well turn on it's charge.

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QUOTE(Xochipilli @ Aug 24 2008, 08:34 PM) *

Why is George Bush still alive then?


Someone with the talent to kill usually had to have very precise training in order to achieve that goal. To receive that training they have other practitioners of that caliber putting in mental blocks to keep them from going haywire. It is possible to try and hex a celebrity, however there is a sort of 'public' shielding from those attacks (I'm not talking myspace). This 'shield' in nature is built on belief, these political beings are the ubermensch in the public eye; try looking at the shields surrounding a major public figure. That sort of shielding is the belief sort of shielding and can be taken away at a very highly emotional event where that shielding is confronted by millions of people questioning the target's safety. This is a theory I've been working on for awhile and it seems pretty sound. People who are very famous do die inexplicably, though it does seem rather difficult to do so suddenly, when their safety is a non-issue (I do understand this could be a matter of selective observation and not hard science (though it might account for some public bible-bullet-dodging)).

Does this make sense?

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anybody stare at a goat lately?


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QUOTE(Kath @ Nov 22 2009, 11:35 AM) *

anybody stare at a goat lately?


I realized you said exactly that after I posted.


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I've wondered about this myself. I would like to think that anyone enlightened enough to have such powers would be enlightened enough to know murder is ultimately purposeless and harmful not only to the intended victim.

QUOTE(Kath @ Nov 17 2009, 10:41 AM) *

for example, if you were able to magically nudge a penny off the top of a skyscraper, you could kill someone just with that.

Not unless you also magically accelerated it! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


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QUOTE(Vilhjalmr @ Dec 4 2009, 12:44 AM) *

I've wondered about this myself. I would like to think that anyone enlightened enough to have such powers would be enlightened enough to know murder is ultimately purposeless and harmful not only to the intended victim.

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for example, if you were able to magically nudge a penny off the top of a skyscraper, you could kill someone just with that.


Not unless you also magically accelerated it! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

That's sort of falling into the "more advanced = pure love" mindset, which some people hold to be true, and others do not. I am one who believes that 'killing' can do more good than harm, from time to time. I'd argue that 'mother nature' seems to hold a similar view. Of course killing just for the sake of killing would be reprehensible, I'm kinda assuming there's an actual urgent purpose or reason for it. Actually that whole aspect of the topic reminds me of the anime series Deathnote. Worth a watch if you've not seen it.

As for nudging a penny off a ledge, you don't have to accelerate it. That's kinda the whole point of the ledge. I'm saying that you could do a very "small" thing which would release a great deal of potential energy, or have a cascading effect, resulting in a lethal effect. For example, moving a pencil at someone with enough force to kill might take hundreds of foot pounds of energy. meanwhile applying only 2 ounces of pressure on the right blood vessel would be just as effective. In other words, if you could apply enough telekinetic force to say spill a mug of coffee, you've got enough kinetic force to kill a human being, IF you apply that force efficiently.



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QUOTE(Xochipilli @ Jul 10 2007, 12:08 AM) *

I read a bit about psionics and loads of people say it can be used to cause targets to have accidents and the likes. If thats true then how come not one crazy bastard has got his hands of a radionics machine and used it to make a famous actor they don't like have an accident? It wouldn't exactly be hard to get a picture of the target and since thats all you need wouldn't the real unpopular actors famous actors be at serious risk since everybody in the world can get a picture of them?


Simple answer to this one. When we do something energetic to someone who is phisicaly not present(next to us or close by) we rely on their individual finger print(the energetic one) that takes us to the link of that person so we can reach him energeticaly and do our thing. Problem with celebrities is that so manny people are directing so much at them day and night(all the time) that the "road"\link to those celebrities is usualy very cluttered and full of crap from everyone else that its hard to reach them in such a way.

Hope this helps.

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To be perfectly honest: we talk like we haven't had practitioners centuries and thousands of years before us, when you know, they didn't have guns, and missiles, and more effective ways to kill people.

As individuals and practitioner, sure, we're 'able' to will actions and things into existences. But on the other hand we are hubristic enough to accredit the action to our individual persona, as opposed to thousands of events that occurred that let up to the events, and we're simply taking the credit for what happened.

I'm kind of a supercalvinist/closet-hindu, so I sort of found this idea kind of peculiar~ just my two cents.

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QUOTE(Kath @ Dec 4 2009, 11:56 PM) *
That's sort of falling into the "more advanced = pure love" mindset, which some people hold to be true, and others do not. I am one who believes that 'killing' can do more good than harm, from time to time. I'd argue that 'mother nature' seems to hold a similar view. Of course killing just for the sake of killing would be reprehensible, I'm kinda assuming there's an actual urgent purpose or reason for it. Actually that whole aspect of the topic reminds me of the anime series Deathnote. Worth a watch if you've not seen it.

I'll give the anime a look see. I'll also note that more advanced = pure love and killing = sometimes necessary are not incompatible viewpoints, at least as I see them! After all, if one has love for all beings, one would surely prefer to kill one to save ten. There are all sorts of interesting ethical dilemmas you can explore, though - like what if that one was a personal friend? Is there a difference between killing someone and letting someone die? Etc, etc.

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As for nudging a penny off a ledge, you don't have to accelerate it. That's kinda the whole point of the ledge. I'm saying that you could do a very "small" thing which would release a great deal of potential energy, or have a cascading effect, resulting in a lethal effect. For example, moving a pencil at someone with enough force to kill might take hundreds of foot pounds of energy. meanwhile applying only 2 ounces of pressure on the right blood vessel would be just as effective. In other words, if you could apply enough telekinetic force to say spill a mug of coffee, you've got enough kinetic force to kill a human being, IF you apply that force efficiently.

It's an interesting idea and I can't see the flaw in it. (I was just nitpicking about the penny - it doesn't matter how tall the structure you drop it from is, a penny will never reach a velocity high enough to kill someone.)


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i place great emphasis on personal friends, those close to me, etc. in terms of measuring the greater good. I don't technically believe in a greater good. If I had to destroy the world to save a spouse or child (i have neither at the moment, but if i did) then I'm sorry but all you biotches would die. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bigwink.gif)


and about the penny... yeah, but i typed that out before I saw mythbusters showing that coins are sub-lethal at terminal velocity (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
still, its more metaphor for showing how the application of a small amount of force can release great potential energy.


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