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Shimi
post Mar 2 2010, 04:50 PM
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I am a bit frustrated over TK(arent we all to some extent? xD) but not because of lack of success but because of lack of success born from intent. I will describe a few situations that happaned to me during the times i practiced TK. The main issue is that it happans randomaly and im a person that likes consistancy. The last time made me even more upset since it got me into a situation where i cut my hand pretty deeply and it was very unpleasent(shattared glass door). Anyway... let me eleborate.

Most of the time when i would practice TK i would get either a slight movement\shaking of the object(if it is round) or a very small movement. All this of course while i am focusing on the exercise. Then comes the problamatic(i guess its a problem, not sure really) situations which frustrate me. A few months after ive been practicing(over the years i practice it from time to time), each time, if i am faced with a situation which is emotionaly extreme(very upset for instance) something telekineticaly extreme would occure as a result. Such as me wanting to reach for a hand bag and throw it at a very annoying friend that wouldnt shut up, and as i am reaching for the bag in anger the bag seems to just fly by itself in the direction of her head. Before i am able to reach it phisicaly with my hands. A more recent situation(since ive started once more a couple of weeks ago to practice TK) would be me wanting to close a glass door that wouldnt close. I pushed it once but it wouldnt close all the way and opened again. The second time as i was getting frustrated with it and reached for the door, before i was able to touch it the glass exploded(!) and cut my hand pretty badly as it was flying in all directions.

Now this is all great and stuff of tv shows and movies which we all want and work for... problem is that you can see the diffrence between the results when i try to do it willingly and when it happans randomaly(usualy if i am very upset). Does anyone have any tips to make the "extreme" results the usual? And maybe prevent them from happaning randomaly, as you can tell the last event wasnt very pleasent and now i have to go and get stitches for an opened cut(one of 5 all along my hand, which was far deeper then the others).
I do want to keep practicing and to improve TK but situations like the ones i presented make me feel "whats the point?" you know. Cause if i am allready capable of it to such a degree and practice doesnt lead anywhere close to it.. maybe there is something else i should be doing. :S (simply since TK is an old and sore subject... )

-All random events happaned when i was surrounded by other people or when i was in a social situation\interaction.

-This could be me being sloppy, per say, but to be honest no matter what degree of understanding and control we all think we have... we cannot be perfect all the time hehe.

(I have been to psipog and read manny topics regarding TK, though it would be lovely if anyone is maybe in the same situation i am)

Help would be apreciated,
Shimi.

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post Mar 2 2010, 11:35 PM
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QUOTE(Shimi @ Mar 2 2010, 05:50 PM) *

I am a bit frustrated over TK(arent we all to some extent? xD) but not because of lack of success but because of lack of success born from intent. I will describe a few situations that happaned to me during the times i practiced TK. The main issue is that it happans randomaly and im a person that likes consistancy. The last time made me even more upset since it got me into a situation where i cut my hand pretty deeply and it was very unpleasent(shattared glass door). Anyway... let me eleborate.

Most of the time when i would practice TK i would get either a slight movement\shaking of the object(if it is round) or a very small movement. All this of course while i am focusing on the exercise. Then comes the problamatic(i guess its a problem, not sure really) situations which frustrate me. A few months after ive been practicing(over the years i practice it from time to time), each time, if i am faced with a situation which is emotionaly extreme(very upset for instance) something telekineticaly extreme would occure as a result. Such as me wanting to reach for a hand bag and throw it at a very annoying friend that wouldnt shut up, and as i am reaching for the bag in anger the bag seems to just fly by itself in the direction of her head. Before i am able to reach it phisicaly with my hands. A more recent situation(since ive started once more a couple of weeks ago to practice TK) would be me wanting to close a glass door that wouldnt close. I pushed it once but it wouldnt close all the way and opened again. The second time as i was getting frustrated with it and reached for the door, before i was able to touch it the glass exploded(!) and cut my hand pretty badly as it was flying in all directions.

Now this is all great and stuff of tv shows and movies which we all want and work for... problem is that you can see the diffrence between the results when i try to do it willingly and when it happans randomaly(usualy if i am very upset). Does anyone have any tips to make the "extreme" results the usual? And maybe prevent them from happaning randomaly, as you can tell the last event wasnt very pleasent and now i have to go and get stitches for an opened cut(one of 5 all along my hand, which was far deeper then the others).
I do want to keep practicing and to improve TK but situations like the ones i presented make me feel "whats the point?" you know. Cause if i am allready capable of it to such a degree and practice doesnt lead anywhere close to it.. maybe there is something else i should be doing. :S (simply since TK is an old and sore subject... )

-All random events happaned when i was surrounded by other people or when i was in a social situation\interaction.

-This could be me being sloppy, per say, but to be honest no matter what degree of understanding and control we all think we have... we cannot be perfect all the time hehe.

(I have been to psipog and read manny topics regarding TK, though it would be lovely if anyone is maybe in the same situation i am)

Help would be apreciated,
Shimi.


In my experience I achieved reproducible results after I took 2 melatonins and stared at the psi pinwheel I put in a vase. After roughly 5 hours of staring at the object I was able to control its movement clockwise and counter clockwise; I remembered having to get into the frame of mind where it didn't matter if the thing spun (or not), yet I figured out a reason why I wanted it to spin without caring (which is a hell of a lot harder than it sounds). If you have the time and patience then this worked for me but it was five hours, which taught me: I spent five hours sitting and staring at a piece of paper hoping it will move (wow I'm an idiot).

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post Mar 3 2010, 10:31 AM
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Thanks for the reply and i will take it into consideration. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Mar 3 2010, 07:10 PM
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Shimi, you obviously have the gift. It's just a means of controlling it. Never say it can't be done!

It's like having a tiger for a pet and saying "Oh, there's no point in taming it because at the moment it just eats all my house guests." (IMG:style_emoticons/default/harhar1.gif) with firm persistance you can stop TK from eating your house guests.... uhh... I mean...


You also need to consider other factors into which things could happen. For example, my friends sister claimed she could move a tin can across a floor but on further investigation it was just the air comming up from the floorboards!

Perhaps the door shattered because of:

A. loose glass. You said that you shut the door/slammed the door before hand. Perhaps a hairline fracture was put in the glass because of that, rendering it structually weaker which caused it to the quickly spread and fall apart in the blink of an eye.

B. Temperature change: If it was hot outside and cold inside (aircon) or vice versa this caused the glass to try and similtaniously contract and expand causing a nice explosion.

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I am in no way shouting "LIAR LIAR LIAR LIAR" and I DO believe in the existance of TK and other psi phenomena but you also need to take into account other factors and be ready to accept that not everything is TK as this might either make you too cocky, or make you not truly see what level your power is actually at which will in no way benefeit you when it comes to maintaining, controlling and bettering your gift.

Just remember: FIRM persistance.

Try and figure out what is going through your mind and your state of calmness/anxiety when these events occur. Think on it. Think how your body is feeling and what is going through your mind. Focus on THAT feeling and take it from there.


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post Mar 3 2010, 08:28 PM
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Scientific Process: Weed out as many variables as possible until TK is the most (note: Most. Nothing is absolute during initial experiments) plausible explanation. Keep the thermostat stable. Turn off the fans. Dim the lights. Keep the humidity stable. Wear a breathmask to keep breath from changing. Use one of those bubbly capsules carpenters use to make sure the place you set your psiwheel is flat and level with the ground.... etc etc etc.


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post Mar 3 2010, 09:09 PM
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QUOTE(Xenomancer @ Mar 4 2010, 12:28 PM) *

(IMG:http://knowyourmeme.com/i/362/original/DBZ_PowerLevel_NineThousand.jpg)

Scientific Process: Weed out as many variables as possible until TK is the most (note: Most. Nothing is absolute during initial experiments) plausible explanation. Keep the thermostat stable. Turn off the fans. Dim the lights. Keep the humidity stable. Wear a breathmask to keep breath from changing. Use one of those bubbly capsules carpenters use to make sure the place you set your psiwheel is flat and level with the ground.... etc etc etc.



Ummm... clearly in that image he isn't wearing his scouter so he wouldn't be able to tell the power level.


I'm not saying OMG IT'S NOT TK GO AND LEARN SCIENCE, simply stating to keep the mind open and don't jump to conclusions. (Like in ye olde days when someone would trip over something and automatically deem themselves cursed... when really they just needed to watch where they were going!)


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QUOTE(Whisperling @ Mar 3 2010, 10:09 PM) *

Ummm... clearly in that image he isn't wearing his scouter so he wouldn't be able to tell the power level.
I'm not saying OMG IT'S NOT TK GO AND LEARN SCIENCE, simply stating to keep the mind open and don't jump to conclusions. (Like in ye olde days when someone would trip over something and automatically deem themselves cursed... when really they just needed to watch where they were going!)


If you were any sort of geek like myself you'd know he's on Namic and he had just tried reading Goku's powerlevel (thus failing) and is now crushing his scouter; As seen in the picture. Bet you wouldn't have guessed that out of Dancin' Coyote eh!? Well I aim to surprise.

Scientific process is always a good thing to use, call it magick if you will but if you are getting no results it's simply perpetuated delusional stupidity.

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It is known among consciousness researchers (many of whom are neuroscientists) that telekinesis and poltergeist activity as well is caused by emotional discharges and possible interaction with the human bioelectromagnetic field. Bioelectricity is supposed to be very slight and subtle but apparently it can get big, flair, and do stuff. Documented reports of telekinesis and poltergeist activity often occur around adolescents that are going through adolescent rage problems.

I'm not far from being a teenager, but I know for myself, my most effective magic occurs out of intense, angry or frustated emotion, not poise or "love" or good intentions or even lust or all that.

So you know that you can spontaneously cause telekinesis when you are in a state of anger or frustration and not when you are concentrating or intentionally trying to move something telekinetically. So learn how to harness emotion to cause a desired effect or cause the effect at will instead of by accident. Mastery and intentional use of emotion is an extemely important and hard talent to master in both magic and mysticism. It will serve you well in more than the practice of telekinesis.


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but I know for myself, my most effective magic occurs out of intense, angry or frustated emotion, not poise or "love" or good intentions or even lust or all that.


Oh?! It seems we are onto something? Perhaps there is a correlation with adrenaline or cortisol stress response? Of course, causation and association are two different things, so I am being careful enough to say, is there an association?

Hmmm.....


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Ermm i am quite a logical guy when it comes to these things and i dont jump to conclusions, at least try not to, cause if i did that i would just frustrate myself when there is no need to do so. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) So dont worry about the "is it maybe other things as well?" cause of course(!) it is. Most of the time anyway. I have only written about two accounts which i remmember most vividly, one from long ago(the teenage anger issues state) and one that was very recent(a week ago). The shattered glass event was obviously made worse by wind pressure(open window and stormy weather next to it) that was building up behind the door when pushed to close. Hence i think the shattared glass flying in all directions. Shouldnt have been broken by that alone though, where the TK comes in. The bag flying on its own, unless there is a tornado inside my room or an invisible person lifting it, cant seem to find a better explanation for it.

That aside, I agree with you SororZSD23. Completely. The reason why i do not do what you suggest(since i have thought of it) is because stressfull emotional responses within the body are harmfull to your nervous system\blood pressure and heart. Hence i am looking for a safer way to trigger this. Like i said earlier its not that i do not achieve any movement at all when i concentrate and try to do it from intent, its more in the direction where results are inconsistant and minimal(small movements on light objects+tremors).

I do remmember when i was starting highschool, which wasnt such a long time ago, that i would sit every day and commit myself to the process(as written in manny internet sites etc) and i would get more extreme results... but again what i dont like is when there is little to no consistancy. Especialy when done with intent. I dont care if i am able to move an object slightly or effect it each time i do the process. I care about the extreme in which it is effected. Hence i think that those methods are not very effective to progress onwards to those more extreme results and trying to think of SAFE(which is a key word here) pratical theories that could be utilized.

For now im gonna give this a rest, practicaly, and consider more thought and meditation over the process(research perheps as well if i find anything new) since i dont like to waste something that pokes me in the face to prove its existence so to speak hehe. Also have more interesting projects to fullfill at the momment. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Thank you everyone for putting your two cents here, if anyone else has ideas they are very welcomed! I am a very open minded person and i believe any progress made is allways because you bounce your ideas off of others to improve and add to the original thought.

Shimi.

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