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Shimi
post Jun 7 2011, 10:51 PM
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Recently i decided to start practicing it again. When i was in highschool i remmember there was a period of about 4 months that i sat and practiced this religiously every day.. now i dont remmember anymore what exactly i did during the practice but there were nice results till i lost interest and had other things on my mind and forgot about it for a while. (Also random results and not consistant so also made me less motivated to continue with it)
Anyway like i said recently the urge for it came back and i decided to practice with the "pull" and "push" mentality. I dunno though like i said i dont remmember what worked best for me before. It was like 7\8 years ago. xD
What works best for you when you practice TK? Any consistant results?

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post Jun 10 2011, 07:03 AM
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My first practice was with the heated spinning lamp things - its a lamp with a cylindrical shade on it that has slats cut in the top and turns at angles like a pinwheel. The sides have decorative images on them to throw shadows. When the light heats up, the shade will spin. If you let it sit and spin for hours it will only spin one direction if there is no air conditioning or wind. I would sit for hours and will the thing to stop, spin the other direction, spin faster, spin incrementally - one turn, stop, one turn, stop. It was after I had tried the classic 'psi wheel' exercise without much success.

Then I got the psi wheel to turn, and then to turn reliably one direction then the other, and then 90 degrees, turn under a glass bowl, and so on. I got a pendulum to swing, and sort of plateaued there. At the rate of progress, assuming there was no limit, I might have been PK'ing boxes into the air by the time I was 60. I determined it was not a useful practice, but still apply the same mental principles to other endeavors so not a total loss.

Personally I would not waste time on these exercises - if your intent is to develop psychokinesis on a scale of Jedi-like powers. As a concentration exercise it is engaging and very easy to guide you into single pointed awareness. Also it is possibly dangerous - I used to get headaches that lasted about a day, and longer if I didn't proactively engage my own energy work to correct them, I would get feverish if I practiced too long in one sitting, and more than once I developed a nagging sensation at the base of my skull that would occasionally lead to some terrible vertigo that lasted a couple of hours.

I don't know of a fast-track method to developing large scale telekinesis, but I suspect some have more potential for it than others.

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post Jun 10 2011, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE(Vagrant Dreamer @ Jun 10 2011, 06:03 AM) *

My first practice was with the heated spinning lamp things - its a lamp with a cylindrical shade on it that has slats cut in the top and turns at angles like a pinwheel. The sides have decorative images on them to throw shadows. When the light heats up, the shade will spin. If you let it sit and spin for hours it will only spin one direction if there is no air conditioning or wind. I would sit for hours and will the thing to stop, spin the other direction, spin faster, spin incrementally - one turn, stop, one turn, stop. It was after I had tried the classic 'psi wheel' exercise without much success.

Then I got the psi wheel to turn, and then to turn reliably one direction then the other, and then 90 degrees, turn under a glass bowl, and so on. I got a pendulum to swing, and sort of plateaued there. At the rate of progress, assuming there was no limit, I might have been PK'ing boxes into the air by the time I was 60. I determined it was not a useful practice, but still apply the same mental principles to other endeavors so not a total loss.

Personally I would not waste time on these exercises - if your intent is to develop psychokinesis on a scale of Jedi-like powers. As a concentration exercise it is engaging and very easy to guide you into single pointed awareness. Also it is possibly dangerous - I used to get headaches that lasted about a day, and longer if I didn't proactively engage my own energy work to correct them, I would get feverish if I practiced too long in one sitting, and more than once I developed a nagging sensation at the base of my skull that would occasionally lead to some terrible vertigo that lasted a couple of hours.

I don't know of a fast-track method to developing large scale telekinesis, but I suspect some have more potential for it than others.

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Amen. I'm not energetically built like a hammer, I'm more like a screwdriver and when I tried this experiment it took hours (approx 4 of consistant staring (which turned the whole experiment into a joke for me later)) of mental work and staring at the psiwheel, but after I got into a certain 'zen' mindframe I was able to spin it in any direction I wanted to. Which may be very cool and universe altering for those who previously didn't think it was possible but it is otherwise useless, and yes my teacher told me: If your head ever starts to hurt during any sort of practice, stop and continue later.


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post Jun 11 2011, 11:23 AM
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QUOTE(Dancing Coyote @ Jun 10 2011, 05:15 PM) *

Amen. I'm not energetically built like a hammer, I'm more like a screwdriver and when I tried this experiment it took hours (approx 4 of consistant staring (which turned the whole experiment into a joke for me later)) of mental work and staring at the psiwheel, but after I got into a certain 'zen' mindframe I was able to spin it in any direction I wanted to. Which may be very cool and universe altering for those who previously didn't think it was possible but it is otherwise useless, and yes my teacher told me: If your head ever starts to hurt during any sort of practice, stop and continue later.


Just like Telepathy, it seems to be largely the sort of thing that works briefly and suddenly, but never when you try. I found that the harder I 'pushed', the more I just got frustrated. It worked best when I was able to clear my mind to the point of forgetting to breathe, and harbored only the barest hint of an intention, with such a blank emotional landscape that it barely counted as 'wanting' the thing to move. Perhaps one day I will reach a state of very boring enlightenment wherein i can maintain this state all the time - and therefore will not care to move anything telekinetically or read anyone's mind.

However, I have had two PK/TK experiences that stand out in my mind, the first was the one that made me want to practice, the second was around the time that I finally decided practice was not going to produce anything worthwhile. The first time, I almost had a car accident - I pulled through a red light like a stupid teenager (which I was) and saw the car coming at me towards the driver side. I wasn't afraid and it was too sudden to really be in shock either, I just sort of stared dumbly at this oncoming car in my ancient station wagon that make 0-60 in about a minute. I don't remember what my brain did, but I remember thinking something like "Well, damn." The car didn't hit me, didn't leave skid marks from brakes, and the guy that was going to hit me, after cussing me out, said I was a lucky retard.

Later on, after around I suppose two years of practice or so, I had decided it was too much effort for potentially no useful gain. I hadn't practiced at all, but had gotten in the habit of 'pushing' things mentally because I did it so often. Simple thing, I was leaving a room, turned to close the door, and it closed from sitting still at about 70 degrees or so open. Again, no idea what my brain did, and I can't really attribute it to the TK practice.

This lead me to the conclusion that there is not a reliable way to develop, direct, and control this kind of ability consciously. Unconsciously perhaps, and it's possible that the kind of enlightenment that is described as breaking down the wall between the conscious and unconscious mind will lead to this kind of thing - but pushing psiwheels, swinging pendulums, and making lamps spin - or not spin - is not the way to do it I think.

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post Jun 13 2011, 06:40 PM
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QUOTE(Vagrant Dreamer @ Jun 10 2011, 09:03 AM) *

My first practice was with the heated spinning lamp things - its a lamp with a cylindrical shade on it that has slats cut in the top and turns at angles like a pinwheel. The sides have decorative images on them to throw shadows. When the light heats up, the shade will spin. If you let it sit and spin for hours it will only spin one direction if there is no air conditioning or wind. I would sit for hours and will the thing to stop, spin the other direction, spin faster, spin incrementally - one turn, stop, one turn, stop. It was after I had tried the classic 'psi wheel' exercise without much success.

Then I got the psi wheel to turn, and then to turn reliably one direction then the other, and then 90 degrees, turn under a glass bowl, and so on. I got a pendulum to swing, and sort of plateaued there. At the rate of progress, assuming there was no limit, I might have been PK'ing boxes into the air by the time I was 60.


I have tried on & off for years with out much success, yet I have always wondered what are people that have been successful with it concentrate on or think about when the object begins to move or while it's moving.

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post Jun 14 2011, 08:09 AM
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QUOTE(LadyMorwen @ Jun 13 2011, 08:40 PM) *

I have tried on & off for years with out much success, yet I have always wondered what are people that have been successful with it concentrate on or think about when the object begins to move or while it's moving.


I started out thinking in terms of 'pushing' with a kind of mental muscle, and that mostly just produced headaches.

I thought about it in terms of natural forces - heat, magnetism, gravity, etc. - but that never really worked either.

I thought about it backwards, and tried to 'persuade' the object to react differently to those forces.

I tried seeing the object as being alive, and persuading the spirit of the object to move it - but it was not in it's nature to move on it's own, so it won't.

Where I did get any progress was in a sort of very simple oneness. I allowed my mind to let go of the notion of having to 'reach out' and move anything. It requires a kind of mindset in which making the object move is exactly the same action as lifting one's hand. But, that description is not really what it sounds like, although it's what it is. You kind of convince your mind, after a time, that there's nothing to push at, nothing to 'become one with', that the object is a part of you and more importantly it always was.

My first attempts at this were what most people probably try. I tried to 'put my awareness in it' and 'merge'. That did not work. I thought it was necessary to move some part of myself out into the other thing, and then move around inside it. But that was the wrong approach. Instead, I had to think, if that is outside me and a part of me at the same time, then everything else has to be as well. But if you think about putting yourself in it, then you're admitting that it's not really part of you. So, it's a convincing of past, present, and future. It was always a part, it is a part, and it will always be a part.

After this there are other complications. Just as there are parts of you that don't have muscles attached to move, and what you do have attached is somewhat limited in its function - you can only do so much with the muscle you have. What is in the rest of you then, is all kinetic currents, vortexes and waveforms that interact with matter in different ways under different conditions. You can't change the conditions, and you can't change the way of it. What you can do is give a little push. Just like working with the fine smooth muscles in your body, they are basically autonomic. You can't just squeeze consciously to move food through your intestines, but you can persuade it by imagining the sensations of digestion. Similarly, you kind of imagine - not really in your head but with everything that you are now a part of - that the proper forces are in the proper place to do what they do naturally. It becomes a little current, but only if you maintain a sense of ongoingness and oneness.

You are not breaking the laws of physics in doing this. I very seriously doubt that it is within the realistic limits of this quality of the mind to actually lift something, for instance, off of the ground. I suspect it is possible to make something fall more slowly - but not significantly. The state of mind is not really difficult to get to quickly after you have done it a few times, but getting the right forces to play in the right way is like trying to fit a puzzle piece into a spot that you can't actually see or touch. You just sort of wiggle the piece around until it pops into place, or try another place if it doesn't. The more potential forces that are present, the easier it is to do this. The fewer the forces presence, the more difficult it is.

The Mindset itself is useful for other things. I began using it during energy work sessions and massages to be a better healer by feeling how and where to apply how much pressure and apply a kind of push to the electrical impulses to make muscles release more quickly, and sometimes interrupt spasms, and make other very minor adjustments. It's useful for any kind of weather magic, because the weather is a boiling morass of forces basically all of the time. On a less physical level, it's the right mindset for drawing in energy from the world around you, from the earth, from the sky, etc.

That's basically my process from beginning to end, more or less.

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post Jul 7 2011, 01:06 PM
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Sorry for taking so long to reply. I appreciate all the responses. I forgot i even posted this for a while hehe till today when i wanted to converse about this stuff and remmembered the forum.

Anyway, Vagrant Dreamer it was a lot of fun to read your replies simply because you wrote exactly what i was thinking. xDDDD

The reason i wanted to do this again to begin with is because i remmember that even though while practicing it produced very lame results it was the random ones that you did not even intend to do that were quite amazing.
When i was younger and did this religiously every day for hours it was basicaly so after a month the stupid marble i was practicing on would shake a bit. xD What was amazing though were exactly those few incidents of doors closing, objects of quite a heavy mass flying across the room because you "thought" about doing it and was about to do it but didnt get a chance cause it happened on its own. People you wish to go away feeling like they are being pushed away from you and etc...
But in the end i think i agree with you. After practicing now for a few days on the stupid psy wheel.. it was very gratifying that i could move it freely but so useless.. like you said im not gonna wait till im 80 to become one of the heroes characters(with a walking stick and adult dypers) xDDD for lack of a better example.
Maybe it has nothing to do with these retarted time wasting exercises. Maybe one day we will find out what its really about.

To cut things short i think its a total waste of time. It may teach some things that may be related to other fields of energy work but for the telekinesis itself.. i dunno >> kinda lame.

To round up the telekinesis experiment on, at least from my expiriences with it, you either have it somewhere inside or not(just like with the other things such as telepathy and what not) and they will just appear on their own at random times when your not even expecting them.

Dissapointing but maybe ill be proven wrong.

Thanks again for the interesting read and responses. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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QUOTE(Vagrant Dreamer @ Jun 14 2011, 09:09 AM) *

Where I did get any progress was in a sort of very simple oneness. I allowed my mind to let go of the notion of having to 'reach out' and move anything. It requires a kind of mindset in which making the object move is exactly the same action as lifting one's hand. But, that description is not really what it sounds like, although it's what it is. You kind of convince your mind, after a time, that there's nothing to push at, nothing to 'become one with', that the object is a part of you and more importantly it always was.

Did you arrive at this on your own, or read about it? It's interesting to see you say this, because this is the way that another person - someone supposedly able to do telekinesis at will - said that he does it. If you didn't read about this, it's interesting that both people would arrive at the same method.

Perhaps I will give telekinesis another shot. I tried various methods for many hours a day, for perhaps a week... gave up after I talked to a few other people who had been trying for years and done nothing, except psi-wheel. The fact that almost everyone can move a psi-wheel but almost no one ever graduates past it makes me suspect psi-wheels of moving due to other forces.

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To cut things short i think its a total waste of time. It may teach some things that may be related to other fields of energy work but for the telekinesis itself.. i dunno >> kinda lame.

If you could do it reliably, I think telekinesis would be the most important ability of all. The idea of moving something with only mind power is perhaps the most provocative and mind-blowing aspect of psionics/magic - most of the rest could conceivably be written off as coincidence or psychology.

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QUOTE(Vilhjalmr @ Jul 25 2011, 02:12 AM) *

Did you arrive at this on your own, or read about it? It's interesting to see you say this, because this is the way that another person - someone supposedly able to do telekinesis at will - said that he does it. If you didn't read about this, it's interesting that both people would arrive at the same method.

Perhaps I will give telekinesis another shot. I tried various methods for many hours a day, for perhaps a week... gave up after I talked to a few other people who had been trying for years and done nothing, except psi-wheel. The fact that almost everyone can move a psi-wheel but almost no one ever graduates past it makes me suspect psi-wheels of moving due to other forces.
If you could do it reliably, I think telekinesis would be the most important ability of all. The idea of moving something with only mind power is perhaps the most provocative and mind-blowing aspect of psionics/magic - most of the rest could conceivably be written off as coincidence or psychology.


I arrived at this on my own. Who else said this? Is it someone who has written anything I could read? I wonder where else we match up.

I can move a psi-wheel under glass when I get properly 'zoned' as it were. No touching the glass, against a surface that precludes any wind, static electricity (beyond what would already be present in the foil), or external forces, with the only observable reasonable explanation being that it is being moved willfully. It took me, I want to say, around six months to get it to wiggle, another month or so to get a full turn. I have been more focused on meditation practice recently, so perhaps I will try again soon to see if my more flexible mind is able to get to that point more quickly now - but at the time it took more than an hour of focus and meditation to get very little gain out of it.

I think that if you're willing to give up everything else, then it is probable that you could achieve macro-PK in a reasonable time frame. However, I think that it's the kind of thing that the harder to try to get to it, the farther away it is. Direct effort just doesn't really pay off here. Instead, I think the idea is to look at is like basically all of the spiritual masters have explained it - a side effect of expanded conscious awareness. Perhaps when you attain to a certain degree of spiritual awareness, you gain access to these sorts of paranormal abilities, but the question every skeptic seems to laugh at is, when you do reach that awareness do you not also accept the pointlessness of PK 'showing' as well? "Well it would validate the claim that spiritual awareness grants these abilities." If you attain that degree of awareness, you probably don't care about validation anymore. "It would make others want to attain spiritual awakening." No, it would make others want to develop PK by being spiritual.

And don't underestimate psychology in magic. The power of consciousness is limited only by psychological traps - overcoming those issues unlocks a vast potential within us. And coincidence is the engine of some of the most massive and world-shaking changes and discoveries of history. Psychokinesis, on the other hand, though reportedly employed by many a sage, prophet, and magician, doesn't seem to have seriously impacted the course of humanity.

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