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msm3391
post Sep 17 2006, 05:04 PM
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I have looked through this site and for some reason the only servitor creation topics have the process half the way done, they already have what they want it to do, what the sigil is, blah, blah, blah. What I would like to know is as follows.

1. HOw much expierience in the magickal world must you have to create one. Do you need to be really expierenced or can you do it at any time?

2. how exactly do you design a sigil and charge it?

3. What are the limits of a servitor, can they do anything or is it a limited selection?

4. Most importantly, what are the exact steps in creating one?


Thanks in advance to anyone one who replies, I appreciate it.

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post Sep 17 2006, 06:10 PM
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There are a few ways to do this but this is mine.
1. Take a statement of what the purpose is and write it out. (what is it to do, for how long to what, when and where.)
2. Eliminate repeat letters.
3. Now use the letters to make a picture, glyph, something that looks magical, in short a sigil.
4. Charge it.*
5. Give it a name.
6. Tell it what it is to do.
7. Send it on its way.

*This is from the Fireclown's Sigilization Basics for the Confused
There is a variety of ways to do this, and we'll look at some.
1. Gaze at the Sigil, whilst jerking off or fucking, it will embed when you come.
2. Gaze at the Sigil, and hurt yourself.
3. Gaze at the Sigil, and hold your breath 'till you pass out. It embeds when your head strikes the altar.
4. Strongly visualize killing someone you hate. Then visualize your Sigil
5. Strongly visualize making someone you love very happy, and visualize your Sigil
6. Combine any or all of the above. The more contradictory, the better.
7. Meditate to vacuity, and when vacuous, visualize Sigil.

I think I coverd everything but, if you need more help, try these sites:
http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos/texts/confused.html
http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/sseg.php

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post Sep 17 2006, 08:49 PM
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My suggestion is to read up thoroughly...from Hines to Bardon. If you need to resort to pain or whatever in order to bring about the charging of a sigil then you deserve the often messy results.
You need to practice PATIENCE! Bardon in his Initiation into Hermetics gives a very good outline for the process. Or......you can do it the quick, sloppy way! You still need to read up some more. Hine or Carroll are respected in their fields....*sigh* Why are you so hot and bothered to rush into EVERYTHING? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/baby.gif)


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post Sep 17 2006, 09:37 PM
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Hear hear!

You can create a servitor at any time, no problem. In fact, all you really need to do is devote a portion of your energy towards achieving an end on its own.

however...

The less knowledge and understanding you yourself have, the less knowledge and understanding your creations have. The more you understand the universe, the more effective, and more importantly, the safer your servitor will be. Occaisionally people talk about a servitor gone wrong, or running rampant - these things happen when the practitioner has incomplete knowledge of the universe and/or themself (arguably the same thing). Latent emotions, unconfronted desires for negative things, self-punishment you haven't gotten over, the list goes on and on.

No offense to anyone here, but there are reasons things go wrong, but for some reason everyone seems eager to say that bad stuff can happen, but not exactly why.... maybe i'm just analytical like that. A servitor is an extension of your own consciousness, and it makes ego based decisions which can mess things up just like you do, unless you yourself are already able to transcend your ego while creating your servitor. In my humble opinion, ego based magick begets ego based servitors. Also playing a part is the energy that you put into it. If you use pain, for instance, to charge a sigil, what kind of energy does it have to apply towards actualization?

My personal advice, is to learn to let your ego go, not even all the time, just for the duration of a ritual. Then, use some sort of positive energy. Sexual energy is really diverse, but you have to take into consideration your own psychological attachment to that energy. Some people have really messed up sexual energy, make sure you aren't one of those people unless you just want the associated energy to be included in the actualization of the sigil/servitor. Same goes with any other energy, really, but sexual energy needs to be purified and understood in the two lower chakras before you go spattering it willy nilly over every magickal endeavor. Know thyself...

Anyway, creating servitors and sigils is all good and well, but it's basically fire and forget magick. You wouldn't send a soldier into battle if you didn't understand the art of war, would you? Maybe he'll shoot the bad guy, or maybe he'll screw it up somehow while you aren't there to watch him, because you didn't tell him everything he needed to know.

Finally, if you do get messed up, try and learn from it. We're all students in the end.

peace

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post Sep 18 2006, 02:55 PM
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Thanks everyone, but one thing. bym, is that statement directed directly at me or is it for everone, because if it is at me, I would first like to say that I don't apprciate the comment even if it is in my best interest. Second, I am not blustering into this without doing some research on the subject. I thought that this is what these things were for, to post QUESTIONS and get SUGGESTIONS on what to do. ONly an idiot would look at the two answers and atempt something, and I am no idiot. I am not rushing into verything, I am curious, I'm not sure what I want to do, and I am trying o cover my bases here. Oh and the baby thing, not funny.


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post Sep 18 2006, 04:25 PM
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Greetings MSM3391!
No...I was directing this at you but also indirectly at all you people who want, want, want with never a thank you or even an acknowledgement of the time and energy it takes to learn and compile this kind of knowledge. Tough about the baby thing. The emoticons are there to use and I thought I did so APTLY. You may be an extremely intelligent human being but you have a long way to go in the social graces. Me, I'm just an old curmudgeon as the title advertises.
You may wish to ask about the making and use of a thermo-nuclear device... it doesn't mean that I'm going to give you the plans and resources to do so...and it would be impertinent for you to ask! Since you've joined the Forum you have shown a remarkable array of interests over a very broad knowledge base. You haven't had the time to absorb it all....which is an educated guess on my part,,,am I wrong? Before you run off and do yourself an injury please take the time to research. You must have internet access? You must have a library? All too often people of your age are in such a hurry to learn but never take the time to ponder. I don't think of you as an idiot. Do you actually think that anyone who has taken over fifty years studying some of these things are going to drop everything so that your needs are met...when you want them? I didn't have the resources that you have available to you now. It took me years of reading and experiencing to arrive where I did. You may not care for the brusqueness of my reply but I'll chance your hurt feelings if it helped get the point across that we have to work for what we have...in more ways than one. Don't worry about this scolding, LOL, there are quite a few members that agree with you and I'm sure that you'll get answers to most of your questions. Hell, have I ever refused to answer you when asked? (please refer to your initial PM's) To quote an old Simon & Garfunkel tune..."slow down, you're going too fast, you've got to make the morning last; just kicking down the cobblestones, looking for fun and feeling groo-vey!"


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post Sep 19 2006, 12:45 AM
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QUOTE(bym @ Sep 19 2006, 10:25 AM) *
Greetings MSM3391!
No...I was directing this at you but also indirectly at all you people who want, want, want with never a thank you or even an acknowledgement of the time and energy it takes to learn and compile this kind of knowledge. Tough about the baby thing. The emoticons are there to use and I thought I did so APTLY. You may be an extremely intelligent human being but you have a long way to go in the social graces. Me, I'm just an old curmudgeon as the title advertises.
You may wish to ask about the making and use of a thermo-nuclear device... it doesn't mean that I'm going to give you the plans and resources to do so...and it would be impertinent for you to ask! Since you've joined the Forum you have shown a remarkable array of interests over a very broad knowledge base. You haven't had the time to absorb it all....which is an educated guess on my part,,,am I wrong? Before you run off and do yourself an injury please take the time to research. You must have internet access? You must have a library? All too often people of your age are in such a hurry to learn but never take the time to ponder. I don't think of you as an idiot. Do you actually think that anyone who has taken over fifty years studying some of these things are going to drop everything so that your needs are met...when you want them? I didn't have the resources that you have available to you now. It took me years of reading and experiencing to arrive where I did. You may not care for the brusqueness of my reply but I'll chance your hurt feelings if it helped get the point across that we have to work for what we have...in more ways than one. Don't worry about this scolding, LOL, there are quite a few members that agree with you and I'm sure that you'll get answers to most of your questions. Hell, have I ever refused to answer you when asked? (please refer to your initial PM's) To quote an old Simon & Garfunkel tune..."slow down, you're going too fast, you've got to make the morning last; just kicking down the cobblestones, looking for fun and feeling groo-vey!"


Here here Bym my good friend and fellow 'older magi'!!! The young and eager ones MUST realise how essential it is to learn the art of patience. I was once like they eager ... foolish .... naive .... an empty vessel making the most sound with a frequency of total chaos ... NOTHING WORKED. No spells, nothing. It all rebounded. Now ... decades on, my magical workings are built on slow, firm foundations through patience and diligence to detail. The more the detail, the better. Detail comes from snail's pace. Like on earth, buildings with shoddy shallow narrow foundations fall down. Deep foundations built consistently and patiently provide buildings which stand the test of time. Aaaah the youth ..... if only they would learn a little knowledge is a dangerous thing! The consequences of servitors created quickly is deadly! The comeback can last an entire life time or life times .... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blablabla.gif)


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post Sep 20 2006, 11:23 AM
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I don't think you are going to always find all the answers you want in magick every time you want them. If you just keep following instructions in magick, then you may as well follow a religion. The fun of magick is the exploration and the delving into the 'secrets' for oneself. Honestly, it really is.

I made my first servitor within a few days of receiving a very basic sheet of instruction. I had read more complicated pieces and they were impressive, but when all is said and done, you get a servitor by taking the time to make it.

My first one worked well enough, it wasn't a top notch servitor, but it did what I wanted it to.

To answer your questions:

1) The amount of experience you have will show in your servitor, so if you are new, it obviously is less likely to be as good as if you have made many. So no you don't have to be very experienced, only experienced enough to be able to create one and see it. Only you can know if you can do that.

2) Why do need a sigil? It is a nice touch, but unless you are doing something really complicated which is probably beyond your experience right now, then you don't need one.

3) A servitor can do many things that is clear to me and that DOES depend on how good you are at magick and servitors. I do not know the full extent of what they can do yet, since I am not an advanced magickian.

4) This is what I did during ritual sessions one afternoon:

I simply drew out some energy
I gave it form, building it from a small ball of energy
I refined it until it looked like something I could recognize
I told it exactly what it was to do
I gave it a life time of a week
I sent it off to do the task

This is the result:
Within minutes, it had returned with one part of my answer
Over that week, it returned with several more clues that were helpful.

Whilst it lived, I had it stay in a docile state when it was not on its mission.
Towards the end of the week, I simply told it that I was allowing it to go back to sleep and reabsorbed or disintegrated it. Gently and peacefully.

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Hello, I'm new, and I have been reading the topics here. I have located a large amount of post involving Servitor. So they are like servants summoned from somewhere??

Don't worry I wouldnt DREAM of making on without the proper info... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused012.gif)


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Saul servitors are man made. They are created by you or someone else usually for a specific task. Then when that task is done they are re-absorbed or destroyed. The servitors lifespan is predetermined by you. So in a weird way you could perceive them as servants and you the master. But thats not quite right. As for summoning them from somewhere, you literally give them life so you could say you summoned it from nothing.

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Thanks gmcbroom. I kinda get it now. So like you put your energy and make a servitor using a sigil of some sort... and you give him a job, then obsorb him when your done. So can you see them? And do they have a definite form? Or are they just like a cloud of energy? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Thanks again!!
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Thanks gmcbroom. I kinda get it now. So like you put your energy and make a servitor using a sigil of some sort... and you give him a job, then obsorb him when your done. So can you see them? And do they have a definite form? Or are they just like a cloud of energy? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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QUOTE(msm3391 @ Sep 18 2006, 10:04 AM) *
1. HOw much expierience in the magickal world must you have to create one. Do you need to be really expierenced or can you do it at any time?


My guardian servitor was I think the third sigil that Grimstone and I had done together...and he did the writeup of the circle; I collaborated on the design of the sigil itself, but aside from that, all I did was the initial design work, in terms of visualisation. You will however want to have at least some idea how to centre/get yourself into a somewhat "wierd" or trancelike state...knowing how to channel energy through your hands is also necessary.

QUOTE(msm3391 @ Sep 18 2006, 10:04 AM) *
2. how exactly do you design a sigil and charge it?


Write a statement of intent, cross out the letters that repeat, and then design the sigil as a geometric shape from the letters that are left. You can overlay different letters of similar design, and it's actually better to do so, because the sigil ideally needs to be simple enough for to be able to visualise.

For more complex/humanoid servitors, our approach was drawing up a pentagram/circle, using the primary sigil in the centre, but then also incorporating runes with specific meanings from a runic alphabet (such as the elder futhark) in order to define specific attributes/abilities for the servitor. The circle then serves as the equivalent of a DNA helix. For simple servitors tho you don't need to do this.

QUOTE(msm3391 @ Sep 18 2006, 10:04 AM) *
3. What are the limits of a servitor, can they do anything or is it a limited selection?


They can apparently do more or less anything, but an individual servitor is nearly always single use, from what I've seen...it makes creation a lot simpler, and that's important.

The single major issue with complexity in my observation is that the more complex the servitor, the more astral juice (energy) is required both to initially create it, and to keep it up once it's been made.

My guardian servitor is in the shape of a seven or so foot female Orc, and I arguably made her personality way too complex; if she doesn't get jobs or feed from negative thoughtforms which she has the ability to do, I've had her dissipate within three days before, and had to re-evoke her. Her personality is also sufficiently complex that she was actually quite traumatised by that experience, as well. They can get smart, they can get emotionally complex, and they can get difficult to handle. They can also have the ability to learn and adopt new behaviours in an entirely emergent way if you give it to them, which means that you can have them responding to you in unfamiliar ways.

Some safety tips IMHO are thus:-
1. If you're going to have any for long-term use, minimise the number of them that are this type. The less time it lives, the less problems you'll have.

2. Avoid giving them more than the necessary bare minimum of intelligence, since they can end up getting smart enough in some cases that they actually think of themselves as independent life forms, when of course they really aren't.

3. Avoid giving them excessively complex shapes, since this needs more energy to maintain.

4. ALWAYS explicitly build in a directive to be loyal to you/accept all commands from you. I read about someone trying to re-absorb a servitor who ended up with *physical* injury because the servitor was sufficiently resistant to the idea, and actually tried to fight for its' "life." This is the other reason why giving them more intelligence than necessary is a bad idea...they start thinking of themselves as independent beings.

QUOTE(msm3391 @ Sep 18 2006, 10:04 AM) *
4. Most importantly, what are the exact steps in creating one?


What we did:-

1. Spend some time working out exactly what you want the servitor for, what it's going to do, what is the minimal shape necessary for its' task, and what is the minimal degree of intelligence needed for its' task. This is probably also when you'll come up with its' name. You can also think about whether you want any elemental correspondences for it to be able to feed itself, what it's going to accept as an offering if you want to be able to offer to it, etc.

2. Select physical base. This is a physical object (think the lamp from the Aladdin story) for the servitor to live in. It doesn't have to be a container as such...I use a little statue for my Orc. Phil Hine also suggests rings, although I read about someone using an envelope for a mail related servitor. It can be basically anything, but it'll make your life easier if it's small enough for you to carry easily, and also visually is in some way associated with the servitor it contains.

3. Write your statement of intent, and work out the letters to use in the sigil itself, as described above. Then do a rough draft of the sigil before writing the good copy on the paper to be used for the actual spell. If you're going to want to re-cast the spell/make another servitor of the same type, you'll want to make another copy of the sigil in your grimoire also.

4. Either draw circle with runes and central sigil for complex servitor, or just the sigil itself for a simpler one.

5. Charge the circle/sigil. Since we did it together, we did it via a process of channelling energy from our sending hand directly into the circle/sigil over a space of around 60-90 minutes. I've had a shorter method work for a simpler servitor, but I don't recommend that for complex ones. People make this process sound way more difficult than it actually needs to be, IMHO. Yes, you need to be focused, and another person helps...but it's not impossible to do, either...especially if you have any kind of meditation pattern and/or know how to center. Masturbation will work as a charging method for a simpler servitor, and you can also use the fluids you get from that activity as an additional energy source for the servitor as well.

6. Meet your new servitor. ;-) Give it a job straight away, ideally...since they tend to get a boost of energy from every task they complete which you attribute to them.

7. If it's a particularly complex servitor, and/or you're not entirely sure how you're going to feed it, I highly recommend the initial use of at least a small amount of your own blood both on the physical base and on the sigil, and semi-regular application of semen/menstrual blood to the physical base as well, as an energetic booster. Blood is by far the most potent energetically of the two, but semen will keep a servitor up for a day or two in the absence of any other form of energetic feeding in my observation.

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