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post Sep 11 2010, 09:13 AM
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I've recently been involved with a gentleman who used to practice some form or another of Draconic magick in his past, which led him to forming a pact with some form of Draconic entity which co-habits his subconcious; it's quite an interesting arrangement, and he appears to be able to draw from this being's power at whim, or else simply let it control his body in order to perform rituals or spellworking.

In attempting to discern more information about this particular form of magick, I decided I'd ask here; does anyone have any experience with Draconic magick? If so, would you be able to recommend any literature or other sources that I'd be able to investigate? Any anecdotes or info you'd like to share?

I found a thread where 'Dancing with Dragons' was mentioned, which is one I'll add to the list. Is there anything else?


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post Sep 11 2010, 02:15 PM
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Yes and no.

We have only the frequencies of energy to determine the nature of an entity. For all you and this man know, it may very well be a stoat instead of a dragon.

Why Draconic Magic, as you call it? Is it the appeal that you're working with big scaly, hypothetical reptiles? Because if not, then learn to cultivate energy out of yourself, it'll be much more efficient on the long run.

I've had some messed up spiritual flux as a child, and I've had experiences with that, and I would really reccomend said individual to learn to actually use his own energy. Once a dependency is created, it will inevitably cause complications.


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post Sep 11 2010, 03:04 PM
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There's a lot of power in them their hypothetical reptiles i say.
Old Old spirits can be found when connecting to the reptilian, from in our own genetic history and the history of life around us.

I wouldn't mind forming a good relationship with one or two myself one day.

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post Sep 11 2010, 06:30 PM
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I really don't intend to offend you, but could you give me examples? I've never heard of this

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post Sep 11 2010, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE(kaboom13 @ Sep 11 2010, 09:15 PM) *

Yes and no.

We have only the frequencies of energy to determine the nature of an entity. For all you and this man know, it may very well be a stoat instead of a dragon.

Why Draconic Magic, as you call it? Is it the appeal that you're working with big scaly, hypothetical reptiles? Because if not, then learn to cultivate energy out of yourself, it'll be much more efficient on the long run.

I've had some messed up spiritual flux as a child, and I've had experiences with that, and I would really reccomend said individual to learn to actually use his own energy. Once a dependency is created, it will inevitably cause complications.


From what I can gather the entity in question appears to be of some semblence fo a Draconic creature of European origin (so the classic European dragon; think Welsh flag) if that helps. I don't know it's colour, though it's something I can find out.

I'm not hugely interested with working with dragons at the moment; I'm more interested in learning more about them and whatever magical traditions may involve them, hence my search for any known sources of information regarding magic working with 'Draconic' entities.

I wholeheartedly agree that one should learn to use one's own spiritual energy and not have to depend on the power of another creature. What price this person in particular has had to pay I do not know, but they are very, very much entwined.


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post Sep 12 2010, 04:51 AM
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The way i see it, if you believe spirits originate from life forms but then live on then..
logically the oldest spirits are from things like fungus, plants, reptiles, crustations etc..
Obviously not all are powerful, but the age of the dinosaurs has pretty much irrefutably happened an some of them were pretty big/clever.
When the age of the dragon ended their was an intermediate age of the fungus, then an ice age an here we are...

What I'm trying to say is.. imagine such a powerful knowledgeable beast being wiped out entirely! their spirits moved on in much the same way ours sometimes do.
it goes without saying that you shouldn't rely on outside sources for magic (evocation anyone?) but i think people are put off using such amazing spirits because
they fear them, they are not bound by any contract with god, they do not answer to no man, they are a natural force in themselves.

We evolved from reptiles an a large part of our brain is distinctly reptilian in origin, so we have something in common.

The Old Ones of many myths are the givers of the great gifts an curses that which our species stands tall upon.

I can't give any examples, but i know of many who actively use aspects of 'dragonic magic', as to if it's healthy or not i couldn't say,
it factors most likely depends on the attitude of both party's an the nature of the relationship.

If both are willing party's an are of sound mind then who can argue?

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post Sep 12 2010, 11:37 PM
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It is hard to say for sure from your description of the gentleman in question, but having a dragon as his totem or power animal might be what you are describing. That isn't uncommon. Other than that I don't know much about draconic magic as you call it.


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post Sep 19 2010, 08:43 AM
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QUOTE(Goibniu @ Sep 13 2010, 06:37 AM) *

It is hard to say for sure from your description of the gentleman in question, but having a dragon as his totem or power animal might be what you are describing. That isn't uncommon. Other than that I don't know much about draconic magic as you call it.


I had thought about this, but it turns out I was mistaken; it's not a totem animal. I've been having difficulty source wise finding general information on using dragons in magick, so I've since set the project to one side until I can spare the resources to investigate through other means.

If anyone has ever dealt with dragons in magick though I would be very grateful if you had any info or stories to tell! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


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post Nov 11 2010, 02:03 AM
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Be possessed of a fervent desire to make contact with a sympathetic draconian spirit for a span of ten days. I am quite sure that if your desire is strong enough, you will run into something that you can form a relationship with. I would try to keep your aims regarding such a relationship noble. If you want to get into one of the oldest and most powerful reptilian deities, try for the Ouroboros, the great serpent with tail in mouth who is essentially the earth. I wouldn't recommend, regardless of what you do, presenting yourself as a servant to anything (or if you must, at least understand it fully first.) I also don't see any reason why body sharing would be advantageous, with the right attitude and working together, you should be able to enjoy the same increase in vital energies without "pacting" as Franz Bardon would say. As others have said, there are most certainly such entities out there somewhere.

On that note though, this thread (Draw) has given me a very interesting idea: While you muse on dragons, I will look for a fungus egregore. With the amount of fungal activity present from pre-history to today, I have a suspicion that a fungal "deity" could be extremely powerful in an understated sort of way. Imagine the power for transformation one could learn from an entity which has it's entire existence predicated on transforming existing matter into something new. A fungus worshipper? Wow, that's an odd thought.

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Edit: Also, check with Chinese mythology and ancient worship . If any race revered dragons anciently, it was they. I am almost positive that more than one traditional Chinese deity had a dragon aspect.

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post Nov 11 2010, 06:49 PM
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LOL great thoughts think alike! i've been wandering about possibility of a fungus deity for a long time,
A certainly i'm sure with the thousands of years of magic mushroom consumption among humans,
These topics have had me musing on the idea that maybe the distinctive souls of every living creature to have existed might be embodied in a kind of god-form.
I was thinking that a theoretical pantheon of identified prehistoric species could be a lot more powerful than the creatures of the pokimonicon..
Dose Deity get stronger with having had it's 'likeness' having actually happened in nature?

I can't say i'm in any great state of understanding when it comes to alternate dimensions, but serpose that all living creatures 'create' or become part of an after-life, or maybe just 'intelligent' life either way
their has been many great flushes of intelligent creatures existing on this planet, an often they die off on mass, but in a spiritual sense they would continue but would be unable to reincarnate.
The souls of the dead unable to participate in our universe anymore would stretch the fabric of our reality to form a new one, maybe not as powerful, maybe quite different, where the destruction did not take place.
I'm not sure believe that, but if i did i would see the 'fairy land' universe as being populated by the descendants of some of the many different species of humanoid that where wiped out by a big volcano.

Is their any real limit to the amount of reality's that could exist?


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post Nov 11 2010, 08:42 PM
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We evolved from reptiles an a large part of our brain is distinctly reptilian in origin, so we have something in common.


Err what? Can you cite your sources here?


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Be possessed of a fervent desire to make contact with a sympathetic draconian spirit for a span of ten days. I am quite sure that if your desire is strong enough, you will run into something that you can form a relationship with.
Edit: Also, check with Chinese mythology and ancient worship . If any race revered dragons anciently, it was they. I am almost positive that more than one traditional Chinese deity had a dragon aspect.


One of my mentors was the Dragon King of the East Ocean. You do not beg. He chooses. You follow orders. That is all there is. If you can survive, you're alive. They'd be irritated by your cloying and begging.


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I don't think so, if you believe in them, they exist to you.

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post Nov 12 2010, 09:48 AM
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Err what? Can you cite your sources here?

Just general theory's on the likeness of parts of our brains to the brains of reptiles/birds
Wiki on the Triune brain

While heavily thinking on all this dragonic stuff a while a go i did momentarily contact one, only i became thoroughly embarrassed at my lack of comunication skills, to put it bluntly (if crypticly)
my house is far to messy to be entertaining guests, so i politely said as much along with my goodbye.
No harm done but it definitely added a needed look into the way i do things. Maybe another time..

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I don't think so, if you believe in them, they exist to you.

You know me, i'll believe in anything that works, but i feel that another 'reality' is a term that holds many meanings,
it could be said that any dream or idea is in a sense 'another reality' which may be true but its not the same unless their are other consciousness involved,
if could be said then that places like the Sacred Magick Astral Temple is another reality but you can't incarnate their unless i'm mistaken, it's still not quite a growing dimension with reproducing bodies of life.
I don't subscribe to the scientific notion that every singe possible event since the dawn of time creates a new dimension just as full an as real as ours, its a notion made popular by low-budget science fiction,
The energy of an entire 'reality' would be massive an have to come from somewhere, or some-when.
I think that's what the astral planes are about anyway, to keep the energy's of our dimension from spilling out, to neaten up the pointy bits of time, like bark on a tree.
To take the analogy a little further if the lush reality we perceive is like a tree then an occasional branch would be expected, but too many an the tree would not be able to sustain it's self.
To put it another way.. whats more real a real, the real world built in the imagination of one man or the real world stretched into existence by a billions of lots souls seeking continued existence?

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