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esoterica
post Apr 22 2009, 07:12 AM
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>>although some do have dark skin

that type of dark skin has a lot to do with their ancestral home culture's closeness to the equator, imoho

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Signs change like cultures. If you're flying the Hopi solar symbol, you're a nazi. You can argue all day about what that solar symbol really means but when people look at you, they will remember, some things should be let go.


Point taken but for example in the case of the swastica; should people who practice Hinduism stop using the swastica to express a core aspect of their religion? My family came from the south and have a part in American history and that the confederate flag is a symbol of that history. People can associate racism with that symbol if they choose. Ideally people should create their own perceptions based on their personal experiences and not just go with the flow and believe as they are told. Yes the confederate flag has been used as a symbol of hate. But most people who display that flag are not part of that hate. "Letting go" of that symbol would be letting go of a part of who I am and where I came from.

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that type of dark skin has a lot to do with their ancestral home culture's closeness to the equator, imoho


I agree too, that and lighter skin is mostly found in those who live closer to the poles.

And yet even that is not an absolute. Now that I think about it, darker skin (not "black" dark, but dark) is common amung natives from Siberia and North America. And Mongolian skin tends to be darker than say Manchurian.


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post Apr 23 2009, 08:32 AM
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good thread - it has produced several tangental ideas that have now been backed up with synchronicity with stuff from others

7 notes coming together to make an 8th, an octave
7 colors coming together to make an 8th, white light
7 races coming together to make an 8th, the human race

heptagram (7) or pentagram (5)?

is my normal 5 system evolving into a 7 system? - is my pentagram (pyramid) no longer cutting it, or is there 2 other points being added as we evolve to destiny in this new energetic system?

i'm still a witch (not wiccan but alte Hexe), but there is something in this symbol:
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post Apr 26 2009, 07:19 PM
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Maybe your five system has always been a seven and you are just now realizing it. When I look into that symbol I see a three dimentional construct that includes multiple pentagrams from different angels creating a 3D image composed of septagrams and geometric shapes like irregular triangles and squares.

So I was talking to a friend who knows more about races than I do and he said that the leading theory why there are some darker skin people's in northern/polar regions is because those people have not been native to those regions long enough to have their skin turn completely white. In Europe, white skin developed over a much greater span of time. So Europeans have simply evolved differently and those native people's just haven't gotten that far yet.


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QUOTE(Acid09 @ Apr 26 2009, 09:19 PM) *

So Europeans have simply evolved differently and those native people's just haven't gotten that far yet.


Ummmmm? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/chair.gif)

Anyways, I think dark skin is beautiful despite the American standard of beauty, I hope they never evolved. I like variety.

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An interesting thing to consider is the distribution of population during and after the last ice age. Most of humanity would have been at or near the equator, it being the only habitable area; when Earth began to warm again, some stayed and some pushed north/south (though there's not very much land south of the equator, comparatively speaking, and it's always been colder). This either has lots of implications or none, but it's interesting (to me) either way.

I used to be Mr. Germanic Boy, liked them blond-haired blue-eyed Nordic girls, but it's no use denying it any more: I love dark hair and skin. So much for the Fourth Reich. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif)

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.lol. Distinction drawn between us, ''Black'' people... attempting to using such a description will only draw confusion. You can't limit its use to those of us with curly hair and short noses, those of us with straight hair and pointy noses (and pale skin) are just as African and so just as, ''Black'' was an old trick attempting to explain the apparent surperiority of a people with one set of features over that with another. It saw thousands dead in Rwanda when imposed on the people there.

The middle east has always been populated by African people long before those we now call Arabs (Sem-ites = half castes) arrived on the scene. Could show you my geneology chart to prove that if you would like, this goes back 40,000 years a time during which my ancestors were in the Middle east and India they then returned to the land mass we now know as Africa. Theres no debating wether Khemit/Egypt was an African nation, its long been recognized as one by the U.N and other insitutions, its a boiling point for those in western nations where caucasian people would rather not think of African people as having been at all sophisticated in order to justify the ill treatment and support an ill mentality toward those people over the years... deserving (and still deserving) due to their given primitive status, the people too stupid to be of importance or too sickly to have surived. The same goes for the Amer-Indians who had urbanized civilizations all over America, temples and buildings that were destroyed, some still standing, . There are other ancient civilizations on the continent and in the middle east that were built by African people enough to question our relationship with (Eastern) Indian people which itself was considered a second Ethiopia as my lineage shows.

The South American flag has had too much wrong done in its name for people to celebrate it, obviously upto ones personal taste wether or not they want to wear or wave it but in the eyes of the majority of the population both in the states and across the world it has become a symbol of ignorance wrong doing and crime. The english had the same ''problem'' over here in the UK with the St Georges flag, over time it spilt (can even say is spilling) so much blood that it was immediately associated with those psudeo sciences and opinions which saw themselves into dictionaries and universities... imposed in foriegn lands and quoted in speeches read by appraised leaders such as Winston Churchill...while fighting the Nazis, an ideology now more popular in western nations than ever before, regardless of how many died waging war against it.

The term, ''racism'' would need better describing if one is to state who partakes in it and who dosen't. Would I be to blame if I were to harbour a disliking or distrust of european people considering their attempts to wipe out my people, their imposing stifiling laws on the country (which once belonged to the Amer-Indians before they were wiped out, we kept the names as tribute) to the point where the people are suffering only to be offered sweat shop jobs paying a dollar a day as a way out? Our markets purposely flooded with foriegn produce destabilizing our economy? Their demand that WE pay for the ''stock'' lost after we freed ourselves from enslavemt? When a change in law, in favor of those people could and has seen military action being taken against them? Well meaning leaders demonized and used as an excuse to add to a mounting genocide? As a child I used to wonder how I could have such a reason to hate and not the heart to do so.... yet someone who I have done nothing to could have no reason but be so filled with it, know that thats racism, not any defence maintained against it. Its a sick, animalistic mentality that needs little to express so much not visa versa.

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post Apr 27 2009, 09:17 AM
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>>I see a three dimentional construct that includes multiple pentagrams from different angels

oh acid, you are the prozac!

jeez, how could i have been so blind (lol except for the nicotine withdrawal and fear-mongering searching for the dmt buzz)



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QUOTE(Mchawi @ Apr 27 2009, 08:16 AM) *

.lol. Distinction drawn between us, ''Black'' people... attempting to using such a description will only draw confusion. You can't limit its use to those of us with curly hair and short noses, those of us with straight hair and pointy noses (and pale skin) are just as African and so just as, ''Black'' was an old trick attempting to explain the apparent surperiority of a people with one set of features over that with another. It saw thousands dead in Rwanda when imposed on the people there.

The middle east has always been populated by African people long before those we now call Arabs (Sem-ites = half castes) arrived on the scene. Could show you my geneology chart to prove that if you would like, this goes back 40,000 years a time during which my ancestors were in the Middle east and India they then returned to the land mass we now know as Africa. Theres no debating wether Khemit/Egypt was an African nation, its long been recognized as one by the U.N and other insitutions, its a boiling point for those in western nations where caucasian people would rather not think of African people as having been at all sophisticated in order to justify the ill treatment and support an ill mentality toward those people over the years... deserving (and still deserving) due to their given primitive status, the people too stupid to be of importance or too sickly to have surived. The same goes for the Amer-Indians who had urbanized civilizations all over America, temples and buildings that were destroyed, some still standing, . There are other ancient civilizations on the continent and in the middle east that were built by African people enough to question our relationship with (Eastern) Indian people which itself was considered a second Ethiopia as my lineage shows.

The South American flag has had too much wrong done in its name for people to celebrate it, obviously upto ones personal taste wether or not they want to wear or wave it but in the eyes of the majority of the population both in the states and across the world it has become a symbol of ignorance wrong doing and crime. The english had the same ''problem'' over here in the UK with the St Georges flag, over time it spilt (can even say is spilling) so much blood that it was immediately associated with those psudeo sciences and opinions which saw themselves into dictionaries and universities... imposed in foriegn lands and quoted in speeches read by appraised leaders such as Winston Churchill...while fighting the Nazis, an ideology now more popular in western nations than ever before, regardless of how many died waging war against it.

The term, ''racism'' would need better describing if one is to state who partakes in it and who dosen't. Would I be to blame if I were to harbour a disliking or distrust of european people considering their attempts to wipe out my people, their imposing stifiling laws on the country (which once belonged to the Amer-Indians before they were wiped out, we kept the names as tribute) to the point where the people are suffering only to be offered sweat shop jobs paying a dollar a day as a way out? Our markets purposely flooded with foriegn produce destabilizing our economy? Their demand that WE pay for the ''stock'' lost after we freed ourselves from enslavemt? When a change in law, in favor of those people could and has seen military action being taken against them? Well meaning leaders demonized and used as an excuse to add to a mounting genocide? As a child I used to wonder how I could have such a reason to hate and not the heart to do so.... yet someone who I have done nothing to could have no reason but be so filled with it, know that thats racism, not any defence maintained against it. Its a sick, animalistic mentality that needs little to express so much not visa versa.

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Who that was a great response. . .

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QUOTE(Mchawi @ Apr 27 2009, 07:16 AM) *
You can't limit its use to those of us with curly hair and short noses, those of us with straight hair and pointy noses (and pale skin) are just as African and so just as, ''Black''

Ridiculous. "Black" and "African" are not the same.

I find nothing to disagree with in the rest of your excellent post, though.


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QUOTE(Vilhjalmr @ Apr 27 2009, 06:16 PM) *

Ridiculous. "Black" and "African" are not the same.

I find nothing to disagree with in the rest of your excellent post, though.


Ohhhh geeeezzzeeee

What he is saying is that all black people are typically associated with stereotypical African “features” via stereotypes and Westernized media. But an African or someone with Afro roots having European features and straight hair is equally “black” aka from the black race. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bigwink.gif)

For example, my Brazilian friend looks Latino based on American standards, but in Brazil and many other South American or Latin countries, she is seen as and called a black person sometimes “Morena”. However are white friends refuse to acknowledge her as a “black” person regardless of her Afro roots and culture.

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I tend to favor the catastrophe theory of racial isolation.

It goes like this: many thousands of years ago, just about everyone died almost all at once. The people who remained were in family units or small bands, and had a relatively limited genotypic range, spending many generations almost totally separated from the other "tribes."

The Great Deluge has been blamed for this, as has the eruption of Mt. Toba.

In the Biblical deluge, the sons of Noah (Shem, Ham, and Japeth) are credited with the foundations of the races of Asia, Europe, and Africa. Depending on who you want to believe, this event is supposed to have happened between 4000 and 14,000 years ago.

The eruption of Toba about 70,000 years ago supposedly reduced human populations to less than 2000 persons from a previously staggering number. This eruption is a matter of fact, though the precise extent of the damage is only speculative. It was obviously a very big deal.

There are people in central Australia with a very ancient lineage, whose features include blonde hair alongside facial features more commonly known from "black" people, and those of black skin with features more common among European "white" people.

From a biological viewpoint, racial identity is a mere casualty of selective breeding. Aside from a few potential disorders and very surface-level features, it is truly skin-deep and rather insubstantial.

Racism is more appropriately considered a cultural bias where the marks of social acceptance are heavily weighted in favor of particular factors related to physical appearance. It would be foolish to view these factors as the real source of "pride in heritage" or disdain for others. This is a purely social issue, not a biological one, however it is cast in debate.

I challenge anyone who truly feels that "all people of _______ race" are abominable, to examine the more attractive ones of that race and honestly say they are undesirable. Without exception, the real issues at work behind racial hatred are bound in differences of opinion on laws, customs, diet, and other matters having nothing at all to do with biological backgrounds.

It would be much more honest, then, and far more civil, for self-identified "racists" to address the cultural differences at the source of any trouble, and leave the matter of color and facial features alone.


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post Apr 29 2009, 07:13 AM
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The human race is an old one, common stories of mass extinction occur across the world as you mention, we've all been around a lot longer than the percived 4000 year mark put down by the church and other religious establishments. There really and truly is no such thing as, ''race'' per say as most of us are mixed, share a culture and features with others due to time and space shared together taking those features as being race specific or selective as I.A says. It wasn't so long ago that people were reffered to by the nation they belonged to rather than any given genetic determination so a Caucasian person could have been a Moore in the days when they were in Spain the last name, ''Moore'' is still seen in europe, in the same way the migrant culture in America sees its newcomers take to being American after one or two generations born on her soil and taken to the nations culture regardless of where they originate from. A lot of it is a left over from war tactics of the colonialists, Yellows, Reds, Blacks, Whites etc sounds like an experiment in Practical Alchemy .lol. The Chinese were able to shake off the colour based specifics as colonialism didn't quite reach them whereas others weren't, don't think anyone could refer to a Chinese person as a Yellow and have people know who or what they were making referance to.

Vilhjalmr, a constant discussion amongst us African people is wether or not the people of Somalia are African or not, the Arabs attacked Northern Africa in the 600's and have maintained a somewhat brutal presence there ever since, the Arab League is North African more than it is Middle Eastern so many of them perfer to say they're Arab, would have a tough time telling them apart from (asian) Indian peoples.

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Ridiculous. "Black" and "African" are not the same.


The fallacy is the assumption that "all blacks are African, therefore all Africans are black".

In actuallity there are whites living in South Africa, Arabs in Egypt and I'm sure other "races" abroad. All of whom could be considered African in the sense that they are from Africa. And not all blacks live in Africa (to make some stupidly obvious statements).

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The human race is an old one, common stories of mass extinction occur across the world as you mention, we've all been around a lot longer than the percived 4000 year mark put down by the church and other religious establishments.


Its not just mass extinction but mass migration too. Over the past 4.6 million years there have dozens of migrations out of and back to Africa (as well as other parts of the world) on top of pandemics and catastrophe. At one point during this time is believed to be a genetic bottle neck that indicates a time when mankind was almost extict. So close that only a few thousand (to even only 100 possibly) survived. To me it almost makes me wonder 'what if?" some aliens didn't collect surviving humans and transplant them back on Earth... But that's a "crazy" theory.

But the sad truth is that the real history of man kind is much much longer than we realize. And regardless of skin color or culture we are all human and have a connection to this planet.





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Daily Mail article on European ancestry

Think all this race crap started with the religious institutions, wiping out our earth based cultures and connection to each other.

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QUOTE(Mchawi @ Apr 29 2009, 09:13 AM) *

....Yellows, Reds, Blacks, Whites etc sounds like an experiment in Practical Alchemy .lol.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) So true!

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White pride, black power, gay pride, whatever....

I am more proud of the fact that I earned a bachelor's degree in mathematics and a master's degree in liberal studies than I am of the accidents of my birth.

I was born white. I was born gay. I didn't earn these things! Why be proud of them at all?

Take pride in what you accomplish, not in color, gender, or orientation.
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QUOTE(Mchawi @ May 6 2009, 04:44 AM) *

Think all this race crap started with the religious institutions, wiping out our earth based cultures and connection to each other.


I ascribe it to heteronormativism.

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