QUOTE(Goibniu @ Nov 30 2012, 03:35 AM)
SHe means that sometimes a person goes through a rough time and it seems that they just vacate the body, like a non physical form of suicide or resigning from their life. They are replaced by a loose spirit who probably has the original person's memories, but the memories are distant or unclear.
That's rather interesting. Does it happen often? I am reminded of a lecture I got when I first started to learn AP in the Taoist fashion and was told a circle and sacred training space were must haves unless you want to come back and find something else is sharing your body.
QUOTE(Eria @ Nov 30 2012, 04:46 AM)
So which mean 'walk in' is not relating with astral? Fatherjon, yeah! what are the ways? im interested and want to possess the techniques of controlling out of body and the cord. Also i have read about Taoism in which they believe in is the theory of cycle of life and reincarnation. Except that their theory I read about was about the physical and mental soul departs automatically to the gap between the yin and yang realm and awaits for another new cycle of life in the yin realm which is another side of our planet earth with a similar world as the one we live here.
Why? There is nothing useful you can do with the knowledge. It is used to enhance meditation and requires you to fist practice samadhi on the light of consciousness and then the ability to associate not with the ego but with what gives off that light.
As to the Taoist view on reincarnation, they were rather unclear about what happens after death. Everything the ego understands as "I" disappears at death.
More are less exploding into between 5 and 9 parts to go live different places and depending on if offerings are made to them they will fade either slow or fast. The Taoists never cared much about the part that moves from life to life, as it is so hard to find. Most would waste their lives trying to find it. Instead they attempted to find the Tao in everything and there by get as close to the thing from which the individual soul emerges as possible. The Tao is the place between yin and yang and few people make it there.
QUOTE(Eria @ Dec 1 2012, 05:54 AM)
For fatherjhorn statement, I have a question. By pulling out the cord of another, also switching and binding cords from soul to a different body also can be possessed in such a way?
You would both be trapped outside unable to go back, when your energy body was exhausted your consciousness would dissipate and both people would die. Again why do you want to go and posses someone? Their is no reason I could think of other than to be a jerk.
QUOTE(☞Tomber☜ @ Nov 30 2012, 11:25 PM)
That sounds horrible but I don't understand how that would work. How would you identify this vacant state? This is a very interesting thread. Even though this who thing does sound super dangerous (like fatherjohn mentioned with getting rid of the cord) I'm wondering about that memory issue. If some random spirit is able to remember the person's original memories then I'm curious how much memory a magician would be able to get out of some other person they did this to.
I would like to know that myself. From theory, once you identify with the light of consciousness there is not a whole lot you cannot do as you have found yourself as
the underlying structure of the universe. At that point it is mostly knowing what everything does. I do not know what might happen if a spirit entered as a walk-in, much less what a magi would do.
But, stories tell of a sage who made his own universe inside a rock and by casting off his body would walk into the rock and live there. For people who master casting off the body even death is little more than a short wait while they pick out their next form, and they emerge with full or near full recollection of past lives.
QUOTE(☞Tomber☜ @ Nov 30 2012, 11:25 PM)
Also this would mean that a person who could do this would be as powerful as the bald man in the wheelchair from X-Men. Or even if this wasn't deadly or dangerous for one or either parties involved, the potential for damage would be incredible considering the potential political or otherwise influential candidates for this.
Not so much X-men, the technique is powerful only in very limited ways. You can leave your body and go elsewhere, if there is an empty container you can enter. This is like death, so death is no longer an issue. If you have nothing to enter you need to make something either by entering a mantra in which case you become the mantra or by making a body of light. Anyone can place their energy body into someone else's body so long as it is empty. If you have ever had or seen a soul retrieval this is what was done. Unless they separate the energy body from consciousness though, they will find themselves back in their own body rather quickly. The thing that makes you powerful like the x-men is knowledge of consciousness.
Edited for clarity and spelling.This post has been edited by fatherjhon: Dec 1 2012, 11:06 PM