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Mchawi
post Jul 17 2008, 11:55 AM
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Hello all...

Have taken up an interest in laboratory alchemy and although I cannot get into it at the moment would like to take it up when possible M.Stavish recommends the P.O.N course, was wondering if others would recommend it or is it full of freshman information?



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post Jul 17 2008, 12:00 PM
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I haven't taken the PONs course but they are very well known and respected in the alchemy world. I personally am a big fan of RAMs digital material. But sure a lot of it over laps.


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Hello all...

Have taken up an interest in laboratory alchemy and although I cannot get into it at the moment would like to take it up when possible M.Stavish recommends the P.O.N course, was wondering if others would recommend it or is it full of freshman information?



Many thanks
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post Jul 17 2008, 01:35 PM
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Thanks.

Surprised there isn't much about laboratory alchemy on forums and what not, an expencive pursuit perhaps but its an amazing subject... does seem comparable to taking drugs though, have to wonder whether a person would become dependent on the tinctures to achieve certain things or whether its truly proficient at building on past experiences.

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QUOTE(Mchawi @ Jul 17 2008, 03:35 PM) *
have to wonder whether a person would become dependent on the tinctures to achieve certain things or whether its truly proficient at building on past experiences.


I think you must be misunderstanding practical alchemy completely. As you prefect and raise the matter up, so does a part within your own soul raise as well. Not to mention the purification and infusions of the secret fire you can obtain from ingesting these concoctions.


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post Jul 18 2008, 10:00 AM
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So you're not left constantly adding droplets to your water each day in an attempt to maintain a state of spiritual wellbeing or to transcend oneself and get to some mediative state or another? Was wondering if the creation of a stone would work in the same way the final grade in ritual work does, integrating the past work into a whole.

Mark Stavish is my favorite author from now it seems, have been reading and re reading his book on the B.o.L and Alchemy since I got them. Secretly hoping that earth grade isn't pulling my strings and drawing me toward the practice but I don't think it is, find it
fascinating.

Is there any practical alchemical work I can utilize in 1=10 grade perhaps? I mean its all herbs, earthy stuff and what not, right? Shouldn't harm any grade work. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smartass.gif)

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A carefully prepared spagyric has many medicinal uses if ingested as well as being able to raise your vibrational level. You will gain as much from making them as you do from taking them. Most alchemist do both.

Generally the path begins with the herbal work. Simple tincture, to spagyric, to ens, and finally a herbal stone. Generally a stone is considered the height of the herbal work and would confer you have mastered the herbal world. Some continue and make a stone for each planetary signature, or move on to animal or mineral alchemy. Of course most go back and forth depending on their studies and pursuits.

My personal opinion is that alchemy can benefit everyone at any level of spiritual knowledge. Might I suggest trying your hand at a simple saturn tincture? Perhaps horsetail or shepherd's-purse.


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post Jul 18 2008, 11:09 AM
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Here are my instructions for a simple tincture.

I would suggest starting with horsetail. It can be very easily found as dried herb either as tea or loose herb in any health food store.

Put a good bit of the dry herb in a glass mason jar, depending on the size of the jar, fill it to about half an inch to an inch deep. Pour 100 proof vodka in the jar until the level is about two or three fingers higher than the previous level of the dry herb.

Cover the mouth with plastic wrap then screw the metal cap on. Now place the jar in a dark warm place to digest. Most instructions say leave for 2 to 3 weeks but I always use a hermetic month as a rule of thumb. (40 days)

When it is ready decant the liquid off or filter through a coffee filter.

Add 5 to 30 drops to a glass of distilled water and drink daily. Distilled water or white wine is the traditional method of ingestion, I personally like it in my morning coffee.

Horsetail is associated with saturn and aid the Spleen and bones. Horsetail is known to harden bones and supposed to be good for any sort of internal bleeding and ulcers. Vibrationally it will assist in stability and inertia along the path.


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post Jul 19 2008, 10:47 AM
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Cool.

Two questions though...

Firstly, what is a plant stone exactly and how does it show you've mastered the plant work? And secondly, how do you know that the herbal tinctiture is having an effect? Is it easily verifiable? Oh yeah, and what do you do with the salts? M.Stavish says that you can eat the salts after burning them but then you have the liquid also as a result of the process, do you mix them together or are they two diffrent end results altogether?

Apparently sundew coresponds to earth as it, ''contains the powers of all seven planets'', might try and use that to start with.

At times some authors leave people a bit short changed on what to expect from a practice, some things, energy states in particular, are difficult to put into words but I personally value testimonals and such things, especially as a neophyte/zelator. M.Stavish par example perscribes sundew but dosen't give information on what its purpose is, will be fun finding out first hand but a brief description wouldn't go a miss.

Forever the cautious capricorn. .lol.

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QUOTE(Mchawi @ Jul 19 2008, 12:47 PM) *
Cool.

Two questions though...

Firstly, what is a plant stone exactly and how does it show you've mastered the plant work? And secondly, how do you know that the herbal tinctiture is having an effect? Is it easily verifiable? Oh yeah, and what do you do with the salts? M.Stavish says that you can eat the salts after burning them but then you have the liquid also as a result of the process, do you mix them together or are they two diffrent end results altogether?

Apparently sundew coresponds to earth as it, ''contains the powers of all seven planets'', might try and use that to start with.

At times some authors leave people a bit short changed on what to expect from a practice, some things, energy states in particular, are difficult to put into words but I personally value testimonals and such things, especially as a neophyte/zelator. M.Stavish par example perscribes sundew but dosen't give information on what its purpose is, will be fun finding out first hand but a brief description wouldn't go a miss.

Forever the cautious capricorn. .lol.


I have never worked with sundew so I couldn't tell you. Supposedly it is good for the lungs, which would classify it as a mercury herb. Not sure why he says it applies to earth.

As for the stone. There are actually two kinds, the lesser work which is a liquid stone, then the greater work which is an actual stone. A herbal stone shows you have mastered the herbal work because it takes the full skills of all previous work to make one.

I am unsure why stavish suggests consuming only the salts. To be a true alchemical product it must contain all three principals.


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post Jul 22 2008, 10:04 AM
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I have never worked with sundew so I couldn't tell you. Supposedly it is good for the lungs, which would classify it as a mercury herb. Not sure why he says it applies to earth.

As for the stone. There are actually two kinds, the lesser work which is a liquid stone, then the greater work which is an actual stone. A herbal stone shows you have mastered the herbal work because it takes the full skills of all previous work to make one.

I am unsure why stavish suggests consuming only the salts. To be a true alchemical product it must contain all three principals.


Urgh... replied twice and lost the text.

M.Stavish simply says that sundew contains all the powers of the planets and reccomends that a person always keeps some handy when travelling considering its qualities. Guess theres no bible on what herb coresonds to what, could always mix several herbs together if such a thing is needed, will look out for other comments on sundew.

Still don't get the whole stone bit... how does making a stone further your development? Is it edible?

You didn't mention the calcinating process in your last post and I got confused, stavish says that you can eat them on their own or drink them with distilled water or with the liquidy stuff. His book is good but its a primer, not as purposeful as his B.o.L work writes with an ease makes for a good read willl probably use Manfred's text and take a look at the P.o.N course which I hope is QBL based enough to fit in alongside any G.D work.

Last question before I become annoying, what on earth is animal alchemy? All kinds of strange thoughts invade my mind when thinking about what it could involve (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

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Nomenclature here depends on which text your reading. Junius refers to a product that contains all three principals, the salt has been purified but not the sulphur or mercury as a tincture. Hauck refers to a tincture as a product only containing the sulphur and mercury. I used his term above but I guess a better description would be "extract"?

A little more reading and research will clear up a lot of these questions. Read Hauck's Sorcerer's Stone, it is a very easy to read introduction to the philosophy of alchemy. Junius's book is a must if you want to pursue the herbal work. Albertus is also good to round out your beginner knowledge. After that you will have to go to the writtings of the old masters. Alchemy and Magick are backwards when it comes to books available. Magick has a lot of beginner books but only a handful of advanced material. Alchemy has only a handful of beginner books and a lot of advanced material.

As for your last question. Alchemy in a nutshell applies the same procedure over and over again. Take the subject, separate it into the three principals, purify each one, then recombine to form a product that is greater than before.

Animal alchemy is the same thing but uses animal products instead of herbs and planets or metals. Oil of Egg or experiments involving blood.


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post Jul 22 2008, 02:27 PM
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So you wouldn't reccomend the P.o.N course?

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Moving this to Alchemy forum.


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Guess I was right about animal alchemy then, sounds horrible.

Must be like those old witches brew tales some bubbling pot filled with puppy dogs tails and other such things.

Thanks for the info F.H.

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