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post Nov 26 2006, 08:57 PM
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Mark Chapter 5:1-13

1 And they came over unto the other side of the sea, into the country of the Gadarenes.

2 And when he was come out of the ship, immediately there met him out of the tombs a man with an unclean spirit,

3 Who had his dwelling among the tombs; and no man could bind him, no, not with chains:

4 Because that he had been often bound with fetters and chains, and the chains had been plucked asunder by him, and the fetters broken in pieces: neither could any man tame him.

5 And always, night and day, he was in the mountains, and in the tombs, crying, and cutting himself with stones.

6 But when he saw Jesus afar off, he ran and worshipped him,

7 And cried with a loud voice, and said, What have I to do with thee, Jesus, thou Son of the most high God? I adjure thee by God, that thou torment me not.

8 For he said unto him, Come out of the man, thou unclean spirit.

9 And he asked him, What is thy name? And he answered, saying, My name is Legion: for we are many.

10 And he besought him much that he would not send them away out of the country.

11 Now there was there nigh unto the mountains a great herd of swine feeding.

12 And all the devils besought him, saying, Send us into the swine, that we may enter into them.

13 And forthwith Jesus gave them leave. And the unclean spirits went out, and entered into the swine: and the herd ran violently down a steep place into the sea, (they were about two thousand;) and were choked in the sea.


Notice something there. That individual possessed by an entire Legion of evil spirits lived and dwelled in a specific place. The tombs. The realm of the dead. These seem to be places of extraordinary power, In my country where many people practice black magic, it's almost always (95% of the time) done in graveyards. Shiva is depicted as a stumbling madman with skull necklaces and smeared with ashes wandering through graveyards from time to time. Osiris, god of the dead- principal deity of Egypt. Can anybody tell me why these places attract so much negative energy, so much power?

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post Nov 26 2006, 09:26 PM
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Well . . . cause graveyards are full of . . . well . . . dead people.
And to us living people, thier . . . well . . . yicky . . . and . . . dead.

Cause a place where there are a bunch of dead people, well it kinda gives that creepy, crawl-up-the-back-of-your-neck feeling . . . and that scares people.
Cause a place where the power of death is manifest . . . that kinda reminds all those alive people that they could be next . . and that scares people.
Cause when your in a graveyard in the middle of the night and a dead person pinches you on the ass . . . that kinda scares people

And fear is a powerful force . . . or a forceful power
either way, that scares people


Creation and death, everything inbetween is simply a poler dream.
Except for its equal, creation . . death is the most powerful thing. Everything in between is caught in the flux and tension of those great forces. When your in the field of death, you stand as an expression of creation destined for death. You must feel that tension between your inevitable states.
Its a crux of power . . . and the fulcrum on your own destiny.

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post Nov 26 2006, 09:56 PM
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According to you reasoning then, perhaps a place where life is created would be as powerful, as would be a place where life is destroyed. I suppose the worse place to summon an evil spirit then would be in a slaughter house, and the best for a good being in maybe a nursery ward.

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post Nov 26 2006, 11:20 PM
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Graveyards are a constant reminder of our own mortality- death is man’s greatest weakness and vulnerability and thus the location has a psychological pull that results in fear or fascination.

In anthropological literature graveyards are also representative of order… they are cities of the dead with their own streets, avenues, architecture, and of course rules (i.e. rites of the dead, depth of burial, etc.). Most importantly they are locations where the dead are meant to remain dead, and thus order reins over chaos. Necromancy and rituals to raise the dead are taboo infringements on this order and as a result are seen by society as “evil” acts. This, of course, is a broad generalization and does not necessarily hold true for all cultures.

Oddly enough, a graveyard also ensures the life of a nearby city, town, or village. By having a designated location to place the dead- generally away from sources of water and residences- the living continue their daily lives without the threat of disease induced by decomposing human flesh. It is interesting when we look at history and see that the houses of the living are generally constructed with perishable materials (i.e. wood, adobe, etc.), but the residences of the dead and those of the gods (i.e temples) are built of stone, made to last for eternity. All this adds to the lore of graveyards as the physical link between the eternal order of the living and the dead. One last thought, think about the energy that is discharged at a graveyard – the memories, the anguish, and the love of the living as they watch their relatives and loved ones enter this eternal city. Such a reservoir of mixed energies seems like an ideal place to draw external power for ritual – whether black or white.

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QUOTE(r9999 @ Nov 26 2006, 10:56 PM) *
According to you reasoning then, perhaps a place where life is created would be as powerful, as would be a place where life is destroyed. I suppose the worse place to summon an evil spirit then would be in a slaughter house, and the best for a good being in maybe a nursery ward.


you really think life is created there?? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/angel.gif)
but yes, place where babies are made is good place to do magick in (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


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post Mar 29 2007, 11:03 AM
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Seems a little bizarre /suspicious to me that the possessed man falls to worship Christ .
Watching Bob Larson & co. suggests the demonic are prone to spit and foamt at the mouth rather then falling prostrate at the feet .

Best bet that they rewrite .

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post Mar 29 2007, 04:18 PM
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Greetings,

The possesed guy in the story is showing clear signs of mental illness. I think people who are sick mentally are very prone to demonic attack. Many of these people can hear the spirits so the spirits speak to them. Without the right frame of mind this can lead to madness.

Maybe Jesus also healed the mans mind when he cast out the demons?

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post Mar 29 2007, 07:40 PM
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QUOTE(Edunpanna @ Mar 29 2007, 03:18 PM) *
Greetings,

The possesed guy in the story is showing clear signs of mental illness. I think people who are sick mentally are very prone to demonic attack. Many of these people can hear the spirits so the spirits speak to them. Without the right frame of mind this can lead to madness.

Maybe Jesus also healed the mans mind when he cast out the demons?

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no you said that people can 'hear the spirits but can lead to maddness without the right frame of mind.. this is my question how could you acquire such a gift/curse?? you know to be able to listen to spirits and also how would you attain the right state of mind??

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post Mar 30 2007, 10:36 AM
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Communicating with spirits is similar to tuning into a certain radio frequency. When you finish you tune out and go about your business. Some people are born with psychic powers but have no psychic training. It might be against their religion etc. They do not learn how to control the gift and it becomes a curse. They can not tune out. Enter psychosis. They start hearing voices etc. Treated with the right drugs the areas of the mind which give us access to psychic phenomenon can be blocked.

I am not saying that all crazy people have psychic gifts but a lot of them do. You do not have to be born with psychic gifts to develop them. There are tons of occult sigils etc which can be helpful.

The bext way to learn to tune into spirits frequency is to summon them.

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post Mar 30 2007, 06:48 PM
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thanks.. but how would you summon spirits? like i mean to say just random ones or should i summon a certain one ect.

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post Apr 2 2007, 08:52 AM
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Greetings,

Here is another interresting bible passage: 1COR 12:7-10

7Now to each one the manifestation of a Spirit is given for the common good.
8To one there is given through a Spirit the message of wisdom,
to another the message of knowledge by means of the same Spirit,
9to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by that one Spirit,
10to another miraculous powers, to another prophecy, to another distinguishing between spirits,
to another speaking in different kinds of tongues,[a] and to still another the interpretation of tongues.


Also King James replaced Veneficus (poisoner), with Maleficus (Witch/Magick user). (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


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post May 30 2007, 04:29 PM
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Notice something there. That individual possessed by an entire Legion of evil spirits lived and dwelled in a specific place. The tombs. The realm of the dead. These seem to be places of extraordinary power, In my country where many people practice black magic, it's almost always (95% of the time) done in graveyards. Shiva is depicted as a stumbling madman with skull necklaces and smeared with ashes wandering through graveyards from time to time. Osiris, god of the dead- principal deity of Egypt. Can anybody tell me why these places attract so much negative energy, so much power?
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the power graveyards conjure is not necessarily negative. but simply black. it summons dark magick not meaning evil nor good just dark for it can take many forms. just because something deals with death does not mean it is evil nor negative and just because something deals with life or white magick it does not mean it is good... at least this is what I have come to conclude...

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