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 Summoning Lucifer, Anyone?
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post Apr 23 2005, 02:02 AM
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Out of curiosity, anyone ever tried summoning Lucifer would like to share their experience?


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post Apr 23 2005, 08:47 AM
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Why would you want to? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/fie.gif)

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post Apr 23 2005, 08:58 AM
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That'll be one of my questions too (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


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post Apr 24 2005, 07:48 PM
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I couldn't... not that I tried... He visited me and I started beating up on him... (Seriously, no joke...)

But then I started to lose and Jesus came in... So as the purest of light and dark... they agreed to let me be...

(I am honest to God not lying here... it really happened in a LD...)


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"lucid" (not lurid) dream - LD, ... right?

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post Apr 26 2005, 07:59 AM
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Yea... thats it... I guess it was because I have found ways to united all of the religions in the world.... as well as intergrate science into each...

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post Apr 26 2005, 08:44 AM
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Looks like no-one lived to tell the tale

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post Apr 27 2005, 11:06 PM
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Well I'm sort of on friendly terms with Lucifer. I've "talked" to him quite a few times and find him interesting. I also rememebr being "friends" with him in a distant past life as well. I do wish to speak with him again...I've missed him very much with the others...still surprised to find people afraid of him. *shrugs*

But of course this isn't the same as evoking him. Though it's similar to me.


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post Apr 28 2005, 05:59 PM
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If you're such good friends with him... could you ask him why he jumped me... Please? If he's so friendly... then maybe they're no need to fight with him...


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post Apr 28 2005, 10:38 PM
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Well from what I've noticed, everyone's experience with him is different. So just go and TRY asking him. *shrugs* I don't know WHY he would do that but he is quite disillusional...has been for some time.


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post Apr 29 2005, 07:42 AM
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Well I did try and talk with him...

All I can say is that He, being the purest of darkness, is less worried about me than the purest of light...

We tried to negosiate a deal to keep the physical universe at a eternal balance... but he still got a guy here whose going to throw it ot hell and back...

Damn Bobby Muncy...


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post Apr 29 2005, 05:08 PM
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Ohh well just TRY "making" him talk, from my experiences with him you have to keep pushing whatever it is you want till you get what you want. But in my opinion, he's not the purest of darkness, rather the opposite of that. The purest of darkness is reserved for something else that is "darker" than him. I only see him as light, but you can believe that if you want.


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post Apr 29 2005, 06:14 PM
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Greetings!
Why else would he be called "Light-bringer/bearer"?


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post Apr 29 2005, 09:40 PM
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Actually... Lucifer WAS supposed to be the purest of light, but he got too impatient and took part of God's power away from him... (As you could probably guess... it was darkness...)

Since God saw that Lucifer was better with darkness than light, God banashed him into his own little realm for him to rule with his power... Although this put the Creator and his creation at conflict at time... God had to find a way to restore balance and limit His role to Creation...

Thus came the purest of light...


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post Apr 30 2005, 02:19 AM
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Forget the archetypal image of the anticipated Lucifer ... that of the fire touting 'head' fallen angel ... that is the disinformation fed to mankind by a certain religion to take mankind off the trail .....


Lucifer was once the light bringer .... the good guy (he still is) ......

Pushing the images of the fiery pits of hell to one side ... wandering through in a meditative state .... will lead to a very light, very peaceful realm where the TRUE Lucifer waits ..... a very gentle angelic presence with absolutely no malice only compassion and enlightenment .....

Lucifer is one of the most maligned entities of them all!!! From Lucifer comes truth and understanding and an insight of mankind and the history of the physical realms completely different to what is spoken about in magic circles .....

One thing for sure .... the real Lucifer is no dark side wanderer .....!!!!!

Anyone else contacted the true Lucifer????????????????


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post Apr 30 2005, 05:24 AM
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The are as many 'real' or 'true' Lucifers as there are mages who choose to summon him.
Lucifer, God, Buddha, Allah, Osiris, Zeus...these are all a canvas for us to project our own hopes and fears and prejudices and dreams and ideas.

To talk of a 'true' or 'real' Lucifer is, imho, folly.

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post Apr 30 2005, 09:12 AM
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I would also like to add that from what I've seen, each person interacts with an entity differently. For instance, I talk to Lucifer as a "friend" since I've known him for some time. For someone else, that experience with him will be different or TOTALLY different.


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You have got me interested... how do you do it? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/confused012.gif)

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Me? Well my personality is very...friendly to all when I choose to, even things that some wouldn't want to be friends with. I'm also very playful like as well and can be easily amused, though some find it weird as I find it really funny and amusing when I "beat" the living crap out of an entity anime style.

With that in mind, I talk to entites with the intent to be friends as I just LOVE to make friends of anything. I even go out of my way to thank the food I'm eating for giving me energy that I need as if my food IS an entity. So with Lucifer I've known him in a few past lives I've lived. He's quite an interesting character as he makes me laugh quite a bit with his personality and way of thinking, even though he is quite insane. I even mental "beat" him in a fun way.

It's actually been some time since I've spoke with him though...feel sorry for him right now as he's wandering around the lands of the earth at this very moment and for some time. I would go and call him and talk with him but I'm very busy with school nowadays. Once I have time I'll talk with him again...I miss him very much with my other friends I've accumulated over the lives I've lived on this planet. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


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???? Wiseone... not to sound Funtimental... but you scare me...

Well, at least you give him a chance... I don't mind him... so long as this universe Becomes the perfect balance that I have been destined to bring...

Another story... Don't worry about it...


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(IMG:style_emoticons/default/uglyhammer.gif) Yes I seem to do that to people sometimes when I talk of things like this to others! *shrugs and smiles* That's just who I am I guess!


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I should like to share a small anecdote with you(all). At the very naive age of 16 I decided that it was time to try some grand gesture of magic. Nothing short of the best for me! The evocation of Lucifer was the aim. For months I wrestled with the preparations. (You just didn't buy frankincense or lignum aloes conveniently) The day arrived (actually it took 3 days) for the Grand Conjuration. It was a Saturday in June. The weather was a perfect cloudless day, about 68 degrees. My room had been meticulously transformed into the perfect Room of the Art. My circle was drawn carefully and all was in readiance. The Wards were set, the incense smoke hovered in the air like the tops of the clouds seen from an aeroplane. I commanded the first then the second Conjuration. The air thickened and a presence filled the air. I readied the Blasting Rod and began the Curse of Chains. My hands went sweaty and my skin prickled all over. His Arrival was iminent! I started on the Grand Conjiration and was half-way through when there was this AWFUL flash of blinding light and a thunder crack that shook the house and me. A voice, as clear and precise as to etch stone said."Do Not This Thing!" I passed out. Awakened perhaps seconds later I had the foresight to stumble through the dismissal. My knees felt like rubber. I put away my tools. I left the room and house and took a long ride on my bike. I've never felt like that before. I had practicly peed my pants! I have never tried to Evoke Lucifer again. ever. There was no defying that voice. Whether or not it was Lucifer, God or my Guardian Angel, it doesn't matter. I'm very grateful something pulled my ass out of the fire that day. *sigh* Since then, I've made up for lost time in any number of other ways.
Does that answer the initial question, Kinjo? As to why, it was for money and knowledge. I got one half of my request. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/goodnight.gif)


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Wow! thanks for sharing Bym (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


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I would say it was the Son of God... He always interfers in crap like that... People experianceing OBE's have encountered Him as well...


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lol - can't have the Son of God interfering with you summoning the "big bad guy of the universe"... I mean, that's just evil, sadistic and wrong. Nasty meddler!
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LOL! I figured youall would get a chortle over my post...hence the hesitancy of posting it to begin with! I doubt that it was the Son of God...I've had decades to think about that day and am somewhat convinced it was my guardian or an angel.
(Note: Lucifer is an angel also)
But an interesting point should be made here... You younger, invincible ones have become inured to violence and horror with every step in your short lives. My world (back then) wasn't nearly as complex or close. The occult was something that most people never heard about let alone dabbled in. Rod Steiger interviewed me about "the new Witchcraft movement" back in the early sixties for material on a book he was writing. Nowadays you can pick up almost anything about the occult at the corner bookstore or library. (It shows too!) These topics are now approached with cavalier smugness and even disdain, practitioners allowing themselves to be sold a bill of goods by unscrupulous vendors and wannabe's. The great newage (rhymes with sewage) movement with the "magickal" homogenization of knowledge. Now everyone can cast a circle and wrestle with angels/demons or befriend unicorns & dragons. *sigh* The ranting whines of an old man...you bet! Thank goodness that half of you out there get little to no results except an occassional dream or two! It's easy to skip over the work and go straight for the goodies but you miss out in the end because the journey is what makes the trip worthwhile! I wish you (all) success and much knowledge in your journeys and hope, that just once, you have the shit scared out of you, just to give you perspective. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/5.gif)


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Yea... but I think all of this "new avalbile knowlegde" has caused much conflict in the divine...

Can't Good and Evil STOP fighting???

When I accolmpish Unification.... I'm either going to Kick both Lusy's and Jesus's Ass or Make them be the best of friends...

Even if one is "good" and the other is "evil"... they still need to stop....

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Dualistic philosophies can be a real pain in the ass! LOL!


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There is another angle to consider - just to be a pain (IMG:style_emoticons/default/angel.gif) - the ancients may well have seen the planet/comet Venus in the skies as the 'Light-Bringer' .... Lucifer ....!!!

The early Chaldeans deemed Venus as 'a bright torch in the sky' which illuminates like the sun.

Around 5000BC a huge planetary body (now called Jupiter) careered through the solar system. This threw the outer planets into disarray. Jupiter crashed into a planet which once orbited between where Mars & Jupiter are today and the debris from this planet may well be the unexplainable asteroid belt which occupies the same space in the solar system.

In later Atlantean times (10500BC) Mars was in very close orbit to earth (the realm of the ASGARD in Nordic mythology - the realm above earth - the place where the Nordic Gods resided?) .... Mars had been knocked out of its orbit at one time ... Earth was once where Mars is now and vice versa. First humanoids on earth would have been Negroid to cope with sun that time. White Nordic races lived on Mars and later colonised Earth after a major war on Mars.... digression!!!

A collision had occurred between a moon of the Planet Nibiru and the planet orbitting between Jupiter and Mars. The debris known as the Sumerian 'The Great Band Bracelet'.

More than likely a fragment of Jupiter broke away from a similar collision ... this planetary mass will have what we now call Venus .... It will have projected towards Mars .... destroying its atmosphere and life on its surface ... after devastating Mars, the Venus 'COMET' was caught in the gravitational field of the earth ..... AND WILL HAVE BEEN SEEN IN THE SKY AS A BRIGHT LIGHT ... THE LIGHTBRINGER .....!!!!!! Tales of Lucifer could have been created by bastard religions are the time ... warnings of evil from the heavenly body in the sky as some of the lesser evolved earth ancient races would give names to the heavenly bodies!!!!

Venus will have made many orbits of Earth causing tidal waves and devastation .... goodbye Atlantis and all that .... here will have been the Ice Age ... an INSTANT freezing when the ice which surrounded the head of the Venus Comet would have been pulled from the rocky mass and sent by magnetic attraction to the poles of the Earth .... I say instant because there is sufficient evidence to prove that the likes of Mammoths were instantly frozen by ice while still eating ... the ice age not a build up over thousands of years ....

Mankind was on the planet when this happened .... so the Lightbringer will have been deemed as the cause of this devastation .... MR NICE GUY BECOMES MR NASTY ... Lucifer becomes the fallen angel and the bringer of evil


(IMG:style_emoticons/default/black eye.gif) JUST ANOTHER ANGLE ON THIS SUBJECT (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blush2.gif)

Just to keep the debate alive ... if this was true then who the f**k have we all been linking with over the years ..... certaintly ain't Venus eh???

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Sorry Meriln... I don't see the science in your post.... But you do make some valid points about the heavenly bodies...

And by the way... all of the debris put together in the asteroid belt would only form a planet about 1/10 the size of Mercury....

Sooorrrryyy....


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