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 Practical Sigil Magic: Creating Personal Symbols For Success, Suggestions please?
Harkadenn
post Dec 11 2011, 05:26 AM
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In the book Practice Sigil Magic: Creating Personal Symbols for Success

To anyone who have read this book, please answer some questions as best as you can.

I fully understand how sigil working works but I really don't like the method of trance, specially those suggested by this book, such as near death experience or sex.
I don't do drugs and will never do and I was thinking some way such as how the movie "Inception" managed to place and idea in your unconscious.

Hmm... also, why can't just scrying to the sigil and reaching a trance state do the job?

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post Dec 11 2011, 08:40 PM
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QUOTE(Harkadenn @ Dec 11 2011, 06:26 AM) *

In the book Practice Sigil Magic: Creating Personal Symbols for Success

To anyone who have read this book, please answer some questions as best as you can.

I fully understand how sigil working works but I really don't like the method of trance, specially those suggested by this book, such as near death experience or sex.
I don't do drugs and will never do and I was thinking some way such as how the movie "Inception" managed to place and idea in your unconscious.

Hmm... also, why can't just scrying to the sigil and reaching a trance state do the job?



My favorite saying from when I was a Discordian was "You mean you NEED drugs to hallucinate?" I normally like what Frater U. : D. : writes but will admit his writings tend to include examples that, while correct as a metaphor, get confusing. Like the drugs and near death experience methods you cite. I have not read the book but it sounds like he is showing a lot of different states of consciousness. Its just a state of mind where the "normal" is viewed in a new, less subjective-analytic frame. Like you say any trance state will do so long as you don't then think about if it worked. The sex bit stumps me though; that is a very good, very simple way to give life to your sigil. Not sure why your not on with that.

Also, scrying is a form a divination. Sigils are assertive magick to change something.

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post Jul 4 2012, 08:58 AM
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To make an amulet using a sigil THAT WORKS you must be in an altered state. If you just make one it will be like most stuff you buy online - useless. You can get into an alpha state using no drugs but a very simple technique I have already posted.http://www.sacred-magick.org/index.php?showtopic=8564
QUOTE(Harkadenn @ Dec 11 2011, 06:26 AM) *

In the book Practice Sigil Magic: Creating Personal Symbols for Success

To anyone who have read this book, please answer some questions as best as you can.

I fully understand how sigil working works but I really don't like the method of trance, specially those suggested by this book, such as near death experience or sex.
I don't do drugs and will never do and I was thinking some way such as how the movie "Inception" managed to place and idea in your unconscious.

Hmm... also, why can't just scrying to the sigil and reaching a trance state do the job?


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post Jan 23 2013, 07:43 AM
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Hello Harkadenn
I read your post, and I have not read Practice Sigil Magic, and are fully supporting that idea with you.
The seal should serve to waive the rational consciousness, going directly to stimulate subconscente, in short, a species as the bridge between desires and subconscious.
This is because the unconscious is the limit of the nost desire, bypassing the unconscious, there will be no obstacle to our will.
The power is within us, I do not see why instead of loading through an image that is directly attributed to a desire, our energy-power, you ignorantly use our energies to load a hologram which is also outside of us, consequently with the loss of a part of our energy ....
I know the idea that everything must be done not for us, but in terms of the seal, so that the hologram to fortify the nost power ....
But it is an outmoded concept, and always there you go again, as with the grimoires. In ancient times there was a certain evolution, or we were after thousands of years, without any kind of spiritual progress, or whether we are conscious of a spiritual evolution, I can not conceive , the fact of having to seek support outside of the human being, when all the events, so-called supernatural, are nothing more than externalized projections of our powers.
The lack of awareness that everything is within us, and nothing is beyond us, it just creates a vicious viziosocon ourselves, believing that the multi-faceted energy of limitless power that constitute our being, are outside powers, spirits, demons, angels, etcc ..
Consequently, only creating a barrier that stops the intention to go further.

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QUOTE(arianna @ Jan 23 2013, 08:43 AM) *


The seal should serve to waive the rational consciousness, going directly to stimulate subconscente, in short, a species as the bridge between desires and subconscious.

This is because the unconscious is the limit of the nost desire, bypassing the unconscious, there will be no obstacle to our will.
The power is within us, I do not see why instead of loading through an image that is directly attributed to a desire, our energy-power, you ignorantly use our energies to load a hologram which is also outside of us, consequently with the loss of a part of our energy .... But it is an outmoded concept... In ancient times there was a certain evolution, or we were after thousands of years, without any kind of spiritual progress, or whether we are conscious of a spiritual evolution... having to seek support outside of the human being, when all the events, so-called supernatural, are nothing more than externalized projections of our powers. The lack of awareness that everything is within us, and nothing is beyond us, it just creates a vicious viziosocon ourselves, believing that the multi-faceted energy of limitless power that constitute our being, are outside powers, spirits, demons, angels, etcc ..
Consequently, only creating a barrier that stops the intention to go further.


Ignorant is a little strong.

You describe "loading through an image that is directly attributed to a desire" but seem to think that is fundamentally different than a sigil. That is what a sigil is. Someone who can utilize their power without effort or external support is very rare. Sigils are a modern way to help us utilize our own innate power. Also consider that not everyone wishes to invest the time and effort it takes to reach that point. Many life times of work or a subconscious work-around. It is all in what you want. If he is reading a book on sigil magick then he likely wants to utilize his power though sigils.


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We contemplate that reality in which everything exists, to which everything belongs,
from which everything has emerged, which is the cause of everything and which is everything....
The light of [this] self-knowledge alone illumines all experiences. It shines by its own light.
This inner light appears to be outside and to illumine external objects.

-Sage Vasishtha

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post Jan 24 2013, 01:09 AM
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I apologize for the term-ignorant-often the concept expressed by 'Italian alli'nglese changes, I think in Italian.
I'm not referring to Harkadenn that, in spite want to use the seal, is absurd certain practices to externalize of the seal.
And I fully agree with him, explaining them my position, I gave an input, that he might consider the use of the seal.
I challenged only, how is the mass and designed this hologram, and how we use our energy mistakenly, in my opinion.
And that this way of approaching to certain practices, it is the practice that whoever plays, obsolete / ti.
Haste, has never led to anything constructive.
To be truly conscious of it, that you create, you have to grow inwardly, to evolve, it takes so much time and patience.
This can also do a person who has little time, of course it will take more time and patience to evolve, but it does not matter, the important thing is to grow and learn about-manage our potential.
Then if the intent is not, but to use the occult esoteric for fun worldly, that is another thing, altogether insignificant in my opinion.

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QUOTE(arianna @ Jan 24 2013, 03:09 AM) *

I apologize for the term-ignorant-often the concept expressed by 'Italian alli'nglese changes, I think in Italian.
I'm not referring to Harkadenn that, in spite want to use the seal, is absurd certain practices to externalize of the seal.
And I fully agree with him, explaining them my position, I gave an input, that he might consider the use of the seal.
I challenged only, how is the mass and designed this hologram, and how we use our energy mistakenly, in my opinion.
And that this way of approaching to certain practices, it is the practice that whoever plays, obsolete / ti.
Haste, has never led to anything constructive.
To be truly conscious of it, that you create, you have to grow inwardly, to evolve, it takes so much time and patience.
This can also do a person who has little time, of course it will take more time and patience to evolve, but it does not matter, the important thing is to grow and learn about-manage our potential.
Then if the intent is not, but to use the occult esoteric for fun worldly, that is another thing, altogether insignificant in my opinion.


I usually have a little trouble understanding exactly what you mean so it helps me understand when you write simply and to the point. Your point here, I think, is that sigil magic might not a good idea because it is hasty and used for worldly fun.

Being hasty is never good, but maybe there is an issue with translation there. Saying someone is "hasty" is sort of like saying someone "babbles". Is there even a good way to be hasty? Can anyone really babble in a positive way? In English, both those words have negative associations with it so that saying "haste has never led to anything constructive", is sort of like saying "unconstructive things never lead to anything constructive".

Good use of patience requires a balance of action along with it. Without action at the right times, patience is more like stagnation.

There are many useful shortcuts in magic that are fine to use. Take reading for example. If you choose to never read then it would be essentially impossible to accumulate knowledge that you could gain by reading a few books. Those books could then serve as a way help transition the feelings you were experiencing from meditation into a clearer insight. Reading is a shortcut to understanding the experience and wisdom of a particular author. My point is that shortcuts should be balanced with patience but sometimes a hasty shortcut (such as reading a book) might be more effective than patience.

Of course too much worldly fun or pleasure is a bad thing, but by saying "too much" there is no argument because the phrase "too much" already presupposes the conclusion (and I know you didn't write "too much" I just wrote that because it crossed my mind).



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Expect nothing, or you will get caught up in the future and not pay attention to the present. Just do the practice diligently, do it because you enjoy it, do it because you believe in it. Don't wait for results, don't wait for it to happen.

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hello
by your answer, would seem to me that you have understood very well, my concept.
I'm sorry, that you understand how offensive, not because he wants to be ..
Precise, the term ignorant, mean, ignore, not be aware of ... it's not an insult, it is a finding of fact, in comparison with my ideologies.
Even I have trouble to understand you, but this does not prevent me to understand your concepts, even more I try the more it is good for me.
When it comes to learning, nothing is easy.
I agree, reading is very important, you know, but we must also be able to develop the concepts that read.you Should always be atto discern.That will be according to our evolution.
This is what I think.
I apologize if what I understand, there seems offensive, but it is not far from me.


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In my understanding, you don't have to take drugs or have sex or anything you don't want, those are just some good ways to charge the sigil up and have a better chance of it working. If you don't like some of these you can use other means of putting energy into it but you still have to do something that will change your perspective and perception, and drugs/sex are some of the best ways to achieve that.


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