QUOTE(Bb3 @ Jul 10 2012, 01:27 AM)
So when someone just comes into the zone of and by themselves which technique did they use? 1 or 2?
Both ways are fine, but I find them to be much too general to really help when it comes to ascending into an altered state.
Yes, it is quite limiting to say that only these two ways are known. Drumming, for instance, can lead to these states as well. Basically any rhythmic activity will do this.
There are also other forms of meditation which are not self-hypnosis according to the definition thereof.
There are more mechanical methods such as sleep cycle interruption, setting a timer to go off every 20 minutes or so will often cause a waking dream state measured to theta and delta over the course of a few days. It's not healthy though.
There are certainly more than 2 known ways, however. It is a fascinating subject, I certainly reccomend pursuing a wider education on the subject.