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 Cooperative Astral Projection Exchanges Of Physical Bodies.
Goibniu
post Sep 28 2009, 09:54 PM
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I came across a yahoo group recently. http://groups.yahoo.com/group/vehicletransference/

I was reading a couple of the articles and it seems to me that the writer knows enough about the subject that it may be possible. Essentially, you would have to have two people who are cooperative about the project, both being able to perform astral projection. Using special techniques they exchange their connections to their bodies and enter the new body.

What I'd suggest is that interested people who have experience in astral projection have a look at the filed articles. The one or two at the top of the file list seem to contain the essentials. I don't want to post someone else's articles without their permission, but yahoo groups are easy to join.

From what I can see the theory seems to hold together, but theory is only one part of the workability of something of this sort. The idea itself seems unbelievable so I seem to have trouble getting my head around the possibility that it might work. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/compress.gif) I'm not sure whether it actually has been done or not. For one thing, finding someone whom you know who both has the skill or ability to astrally project and who is willing to exchange bodies seems rare. I figured that you guys would be able to give me a reality check and I value your input, especially some of the more senior members. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/help.gif)


Hey if it does work then it might be another option for people who feel that they were born the wrong gender. Match them up with someone else of the opposite sex who has the same issue and teach them to do it. lol There are probably other possibilities for temporary or permanent exchanges if you think about it.


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post Sep 29 2009, 01:19 AM
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Greetings!
Whilst this is something that I've never experimented with (ie astral swapping) I can see some rather obvious drawbacks or dangers involved. Please forgive the cautions of an old man stuck in his ways...I really do admire the pioneering spirit(s) but do not, alas, share their 'fortitude' to actually perform the experiment...I'm just happy at the discovery that I was able to project!

When the projection occurs, there is the attached 'silver cord'. What are you going to do about that? It is an integral part of astral projection...at least, no matter the opposing arguments, I've always seen this cord...

Since your astral body is, indeed, your body, if you have diseases linked to you through the energy matrix will they also not manifest in the host body as well?

These two points are now hanging here with the potential for many more cautions/discussions.
I've done some energy working over the years by placing parts of my energy body onto or in anothers energy body with a few interesting results. One such method is to 'awaken' a chakra or an energy center to operancy by clearing blockages, etc. This was done in a shamanic way closely related to healing.(for instance, the third eye and/or the throat chakra) I'll let you ponder this idea. I'm NOT a healer, per se...and I've never laid claims to be. More of a dabbler. I don't recommend anyone to do these things flippantly. You can seriously injure someone or even yourself by not knowing exactly what you are doing! (forgive the rant, I'd rather err on side of caution...)

Anyhoo, this firld of study has far-reaching potentials....and I hope that someone of our membership has more to contribute than my ramblings...
Thanks for bringing this to the table Goibniu! Well done!


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post Sep 29 2009, 08:01 PM
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I agree that I was remiss in not warning about possible dangers involved, but at this point it is simply intellectual curiosity. I enjoy working up a good skull sweat. But I also know when several heads are better than one. Also I can see that it has the potential for misuse if it happens to work. I had another look at the site and it had links to groups where they wanted to hook up older people with younger folk to exchange bodies. I assume that any body switches would be temporary. But I wonder whether temporary body switches would be worthwhile in spite of any amusement in light of any possible risks. I also wonder if any switch might damage the connection between body and spirit.


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post Oct 1 2009, 09:53 PM
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I did not read the article but I can already tell you that I wouldn't recommend this except for maybe the most adept practitioners. For starters there will be a measure of psychic shock to the body and minds of both practitioners. Very much analogus to plucking a young plant from one spot and transplanting it in new dirt to grow in. For up to a couple weeks the transplanted sappling is in a state of shock. In plants this shock just impedes growth. In people, however, you could experience far worse side affects. Your immune system will be wrecked because any negative energy will transfer from one person to the other. And the body is essentially wired to the specific energy resonance of the soul. Of course this only theoretical but what I am basically getting at is like how the body can reject transplanted organs, there is no reason it cannot reject a new consciousness. And what is this consciousness suppose to do if its former body is occupied by another?

Consciousness itself is another road block, short of removing and transplanting the brains themselves the minds of each person would have to adjust to the memories of the other and not all of the personality of one person will totally erased. The subsconcsiousness will hold on to some of the former self and it will try to manifest through the new consciousness. A person may find themselves desiring or thinking about things they never did before. They may even simply go crazy or turn psychotic. Through truly specialized techniques I could see it being safer - for experts.

If the change is only temporary that would be safer too but I still think only very experienced practitioners should attempt it. Its an interesting concept. Just not something I think has much practical use for every day people. Then again I suppose astral projection in general isn't very useful for your average Joe either.


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post Nov 22 2009, 10:30 AM
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well, i bookmarked it, and will be giving it a more thorough look. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I must say you guys are being a bit unadventurous.
'Big' magick is always scary. Fear will keep you safe, but it will also keep you in the minor league.

i don't think the immune system would reject incorporeal matter, or that you'd be able to spread disease by this process.
the silver cord is an interesting question though. personally I don't have one, not really sure what that means.



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post Nov 23 2009, 12:59 AM
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ugh. this has happened to me on two different occasions. it was completely by accident and it was EXTREMELY uncomfortable....i hope it never happens again. and indeed, it is a psychological shock.

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post Dec 17 2009, 12:03 PM
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I have borrowed the bodies of a couple unsuspecting people in my astral journeys so I can tell you what is likely to happen and how to do it easily.

First project into the real time zone of the astral and wait by the bed of a sleeping friend until they leave their body either intentionally or unconsciously.
Next simply move into their body and feel your way into it until you feel yourself kinda snap into them. I get turbulence at this point for some reason and then I open their eyes and operate as they do normally.

Here's the danger... you have their brain at your full usage ie. you have their fears, hopes, desires, thoughts, and even their ego!
You are them and know their entire history as they remember it and you will keep this information permanently.(even in your own body)

This method is great in the fact that you can gain extreme insight into a person's life. In fact, it can sometimes even save a failing marriage by showing each other what it's like to be in thee other person's shoes or body for that matter.
It can also set you back greatly or drive you totally insane if you use the wrong subject. For example, imagine borrowing a schizophrenics body or the body of someone that accidentally killed a loved one and is devastated by guilt.

Be careful when you get into another person's body because it can have long term effects on your mental state.

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post Dec 17 2009, 02:36 PM
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interesting.
I've got to try this.

Personally I am frightfully good at getting into someone's head while they're in their body, which is different than what we're talking about here, but contains many similar things to what you mention about mental states, memories, thoughts, emotions, etc. Personally I've found that it's not that difficult to insulate yourself from these effects. Basically I subdivide my own energy body such that there is a portion of self which is 'very' empathic, and very "uncentered", so that it will more or less automatically mirror anything you put it near, and create a sympathetic empathic connection, or a sort of 'entrainment'. But this portion of self is subdivided from the greater whole by a membrane which filters out external influences. So you can basically be simultaneously intensely 'synced' with someone, and basically impassive and unaffected by them. I originally thought of it as a sort of universal adapter for connecting with others. I don't even consciously think about it anymore, its reflexive. And it provides very 'amped up' (yet completely controlled) empathy.

I don't know if that sort of thing would be useful for what you're talking about though. It is a different situation & all. It just struck me as having some similarities, and I kinda thought that perhaps something along the lines of my 'universal adapter' might work to negate the drawbacks you mention in your method. without trying it out, it would be hard to say if it would be of any use in your astral swapping method. I can say that a very very deep empathic connection can be tuned to become rather domineering, which leans towards topics like mental influence, mesmerism, hypnosis, possibly even possession. This dominant posturing tends to override the other person's mental & emotional input into the shared resonant connection. I dunno, it just seems intuitively kinda related & similar to me, and I can't help wondering if some of the skills aren't interchangeable between what I'm good at and what you're good at.

One thing you didn't bring up, but which came to mind while pondering your method... what about the traces of yourself which you might leave behind in the other? I realize that this would be less personally relevant than the influences their physical brain might have on you, but surely there is some reciprocal side effects to consider as well?

This post has been edited by Kath: Dec 17 2009, 02:39 PM


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