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post Mar 25 2009, 09:09 PM
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Ok guys.so a while back my uncle new a bit of magic. Parents told me he learned it from either Punjab, or Bangladesh. So basically what he did was set a glass in front of him, read some stuff, and in a few minutes the glass crumbled into pieces!!! I have no clue what he read unfortunately.
And another thing he did was get my moms brother to hold a plate. And within a minute it just started heating up really HOT while he was reading a spell of some sort.
He wasn’t wiccan or anything. He only did this a few time. He was muslim.
Can anyone explain to me what he did? What type of magic is this? How he did this?
Thanks.!

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QUOTE(go2hell @ Mar 25 2009, 11:09 PM) *

Ok guys.so a while back my uncle new a bit of magic. Parents told me he learned it from either Punjab, or Bangladesh. So basically what he did was set a glass in front of him, read some stuff, and in a few minutes the glass crumbled into pieces!!! I have no clue what he read unfortunately.
And another thing he did was get my moms brother to hold a plate. And within a minute it just started heating up really HOT while he was reading a spell of some sort.
He wasn’t wiccan or anything. He only did this a few time. He was muslim.
Can anyone explain to me what he did? What type of magic is this? How he did this?
Thanks.!

I dont think theres enough information to go on. I presume it has to do with psionics.
If you could dig up more info.it would help alot. Ask if they use any mantras or talismans etc. Find out what other stuff they can do.


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QUOTE(Jenfucius @ Mar 28 2009, 04:18 PM) *

I dont think theres enough information to go on. I presume it has to do with psionics.
If you could dig up more info.it would help alot. Ask if they use any mantras or talismans etc. Find out what other stuff they can do.


Ok so he never used any talismans. All he did was read some stuff in some other language that no one knew of, and pop shatters the glass. Though, it could have been possible he used a Mantra ( I had to Wiki that ).

Really, I'm not sure what he was reading. He didn't use anything but words, and a Mantra possibly. Though this could be similar to what happened in this post (On yahoo answers), I recommend you read it:

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080918094210AAu8nYR

The above URL is similar to this scenario. So any clues what he did?

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post Mar 29 2009, 11:30 AM
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snork!

did you see the answers on that thread on answers.com, the source for answers (i didn't know they meant comedy lol)

"It is of the dark arts and is connected to Satanism.
Yes there is good and evil and you found as the Bible calls it the power of the air.
I reccomend you stay away from it can harm you.
True life comes from Jehovah God."

and

"i didnt read the whole thing cause its tooooo long but the main question that you asked was is black magic real and i would say YES it is but i wouldnt get into all this at all its just what evil people do who have no life"

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"It's evil. Run to the light Carol Ann ... Jesus saves."

totally hilarious - and it goes on forever

actually, what part of 'magic works if you believe it does' matters - remote view the session, and translate the language into engrish



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post Mar 29 2009, 02:24 PM
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QUOTE(esoterica @ Mar 29 2009, 12:30 PM) *

snork!

did you see the answers on that thread on answers.com, the source for answers (i didn't know they meant comedy lol)

"It is of the dark arts and is connected to Satanism.
Yes there is good and evil and you found as the Bible calls it the power of the air.
I reccomend you stay away from it can harm you.
True life comes from Jehovah God."

and

"i didnt read the whole thing cause its tooooo long but the main question that you asked was is black magic real and i would say YES it is but i wouldnt get into all this at all its just what evil people do who have no life"

and
Answerer 10
"It's evil. Run to the light Carol Ann ... Jesus saves."

totally hilarious - and it goes on forever

actually, what part of 'magic works if you believe it does' matters - remote view the session, and translate the language into engrish


So...what could he have done then?

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post Mar 29 2009, 06:32 PM
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If he learned magick from the Punjab in Pakistan or India, he is probably a Sikh or learned it from mystic Sikhs. Sikhism is one of the smallest "major" religions in the world and for the most part combines Muslim and Hindu practices. As far as what he actually did, its hard to say. I am not personally familiar with the mystical elements of Sikhism. It sounds like what he did was change to composition of the glass such that it lost structural integrity and fell apart. It may have been a part of some meditation practice or perhaps. I am more familar with mysticism in the Hindu tradition. But again it doesn't sound like something specific enough that I can identify. I know that mystic Siddhi are suppose to be able to do all sorts of magick feats; levitation, shape shifting, reanimation, transform matter and so forth.

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post Mar 29 2009, 06:47 PM
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He's Muslim though. It doesn't sound a bit informative for what you said.

QUOTE(go2hell @ Mar 29 2009, 07:47 PM) *

He's Muslim though. It doesn't sound as informative for what you said.


Sorry for the double post, was trying to edit the last one..not sure how. Though, are any of you guys familiar with this sort of magic?

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QUOTE(go2hell @ Mar 25 2009, 08:09 PM) *

Ok guys.so a while back my uncle new a bit of magic. Parents told me he learned it from either Punjab, or Bangladesh. So basically what he did was set a glass in front of him, read some stuff, and in a few minutes the glass crumbled into pieces!!! I have no clue what he read unfortunately.
And another thing he did was get my moms brother to hold a plate. And within a minute it just started heating up really HOT while he was reading a spell of some sort.
He wasn’t wiccan or anything. He only did this a few time. He was muslim.
Can anyone explain to me what he did? What type of magic is this? How he did this?
Thanks.!


Sounds to me that he is friends with a djinn. He was probably able to summon the djinn and force it to obey his command. They are powerful spirits, that can do essentially anything. Obtaining authority over a djinn can yield powerful results.

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Sounds to me that he is friends with a djinn. He was probably able to summon the djinn and force it to obey his command. They are powerful spirits, that can do essentially anything. Obtaining authority over a djinn can yield powerful results.


Sounds unlikely to be a Djinn, much less a friend. Suppose it was a Djinn. Do friends open up a book of incantations, and speak them aloud to puppet their friends into their bidding?

What's more, obtaining authority over any spirit seems to be more of a contractual agreement in which there is some sort of exchange. The idea, however, of a human obtaining authority over any entity, in the context of "I hold absolute power over you" is truly ludicrous. Before you deconstruct the former sentence, take the following into account: If such an entity has control over such powers, then what's to stop this man from controlling people, who have no such power at their ready disposal? The other point is that in any conjuration, the only real authority is the authority of the contractual agreement, to which the wizard binds the said spirit to, and upon ratification, has the ability to enforce the contract. The only real entity a human could ever have control over are his or her own thought-forms emanating from his or her own self.

The differentiation in power potential rules out the possibility of it being a Djinn. I will repeat what you said:

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They are powerful spirits, that can do essentially anything.
Like break bonds at will, and create/destroy at a flicker of thought without words? But lo, behold!

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Obtaining authority over a djinn can yield powerful results.
So, it seems as if there is a discrepancy here. If the Djinn can do anything, and becomes controlled by the wizard, this means that the wizard was more powerful. But, if the wizard was more powerful in the first place, why use a Djinn anyway? That's my main point.

I don't mean to be stand-offish about it, but everytime someone references a Djinn, I keep getting this feeling of, "Oh gods, are they just being superstitious?" But, instead of me simply spouting out baseless objections, I am going to reason my way through instead, as I did above. Please consider the above points before ruling out that it is absolutely Djinn.

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QUOTE(Xenomancer @ Jun 2 2009, 05:55 PM) *

Sounds unlikely to be a Djinn, much less a friend. Suppose it was a Djinn. Do friends open up a book of incantations, and speak them aloud to puppet their friends into their bidding?

What's more, obtaining authority over any spirit seems to be more of a contractual agreement in which there is some sort of exchange. The idea, however, of a human obtaining authority over any entity, in the context of "I hold absolute power over you" is truly ludicrous. Before you deconstruct the former sentence, take the following into account: If such an entity has control over such powers, then what's to stop this man from controlling people, who have no such power at their ready disposal? The other point is that in any conjuration, the only real authority is the authority of the contractual agreement, to which the wizard binds the said spirit to, and upon ratification, has the ability to enforce the contract. The only real entity a human could ever have control over are his or her own thought-forms emanating from his or her own self.

The differentiation in power potential rules out the possibility of it being a Djinn. I will repeat what you said:

Like break bonds at will, and create/destroy at a flicker of thought without words? But lo, behold!

So, it seems as if there is a discrepancy here. If the Djinn can do anything, and becomes controlled by the wizard, this means that the wizard was more powerful. But, if the wizard was more powerful in the first place, why use a Djinn anyway? That's my main point.

I don't mean to be stand-offish about it, but everytime someone references a Djinn, I keep getting this feeling of, "Oh gods, are they just being superstitious?" But, instead of me simply spouting out baseless objections, I am going to reason my way through instead, as I did above. Please consider the above points before ruling out that it is absolutely Djinn.

Thank you. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/bye.gif)


I’ve got the answer! There is an inexplicable, mystical universal rule that once a Djinn is captured by a wizard, he is bond to a life of servitude. Did that help?

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The attitude of muslims to sikhism is a little like the attitude of most jewish people to kaballah - it's possible your uncle practices sikhism and believes it to be more a mystical extension of the islamic faith than it's own religious path, and identifies as muslim all the same.

As far as controlling an 'all powerful' djinn, an analogy may help.

I cannot burn wood, physically. I am not built for making wood burn. Fire can burn wood, but it can also burn me - so to utilize fire I have to utilize the appropriate tools, like a ring of stones and a firepit to keep the fire from spreading, and I have to be careful how much wood I burn at once so the fire doesn't get out of control.

Djinn are not actually all powerful in the first place, but that aside they like any other spirit have a degree of influence over the natural world. Personally I don't think djinn are their own classification of spirit, so much as the word for 'spirit' in that native tongue is all. Maybe even 'evil spirit'. By their descriptions they sound more like elemental spirits to me, even so far as having various elemental classifications.

To the point though, there are 'inexplicable' laws that allow a mere human to bind a spirit to his service - we are physical beings, bound in the material world, in which much, if not all, spiritual energy is caught up ('bound' if you will). A lot of people poo poo the physical world we live in, but the fact of the matter is it is pretty effective at keeping your consciousness rooted to the spot, and controlling the distribution and flow of energy in creation. Without a physical world everything is all mixed up together without time or space in a big ball of chaos. The benefit to being rooted here is that utilizing the correct laws, we have leverage to reach up and pull something else down. Think of 'Solomon' whoever he was, binding the 72 spirits of the Goetia. After learning the 'wisdom' of 'God' (mechanisms of universal law?)

I imagine it could have been a mantra, could have been a 'djinn', could have been the force of his own will simply focused with nonsensical words (I do this often for minor cantrips like weather magic, changing street lights, and getting people to change lanes, and the words themselves don't matter in my experience, the just express my intention in a concrete way that doesn't activate my orderly intellect).

You could just ask your uncle.

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post Jun 12 2009, 02:42 PM
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There are different levels of jinns. Some are more difficult to encounter than others.

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QUOTE(go2hell @ Mar 25 2009, 10:09 PM) *

Ok guys.so a while back my uncle new a bit of magic. Parents told me he learned it from either Punjab, or Bangladesh. So basically what he did was set a glass in front of him, read some stuff, and in a few minutes the glass crumbled into pieces!!! I have no clue what he read unfortunately.
And another thing he did was get my moms brother to hold a plate. And within a minute it just started heating up really HOT while he was reading a spell of some sort.

The plate could be some form of elemental magick (using fire to heat the plate) or else some form of energy transfer (i.e. the Serpent Fire from within his body into the plate). I suppose if he was indeed Muslim then he could have used Muslim demonology to summon a jinni or another desert spirit to warm the plate, although you would most likely have noticed a presence if the room if that was the case. As far as the glass goes, it sounds like some form of elemental magick that used earth to dismantle the glass into its original components (sand, etc.) or else a spell of unmaking, which could be extremely dangerous and not necessarily something you should know at all (not trying to sound condescending or anything, just saying that that isn't a power people should have in my opinion). Again, it could be some spirit of the desert he learned to summon, but I'm not entirely sure about that - it seems unlikely that he would've had an entity perform an action on something that close to his family (from what I hear, spirits are treacherous in the extreme given the chance).


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If he was from the Punjab, he might have been trained in some kind of yogic magical art (regardless of whether he was a Muslim, Sikh, or whatever). Words of power (mantra) and intense concentration with internal energy manipulation (not necessarily the summoning of deities/entities although some mantras do evoke deities) could result in the phenomena you are describing. It can be explained (in Western occult terms) as a form of psionics and would otherwise be explained as mastery of the "secret fire." In yoga traditions, there is the idea that, with practice, a person develops "siddhis" --supernatural powers. This seems to be what is being described. Although people think of yoga as stretching exercises or silent meditation and think it has something to do with Hinduism--this is all somewhat inaccurate. Yogas are sets of beliefs and disciples for self-mastery that exist in and of themselves and also within various religious cultures (such as Hinduism, Jainism, Sikhism, and Buddhism) in the Indian subcontinent. "Yoga" would be technically in disalignment with Islam (for the same reason why fundy Christians think that yoga is "eeevill") but there is some syncretism in India in that regard and just because a person might be Muslim doesn't mean that he doesn't know or hasn't studied mystical/sorcerous Yogic arts.

And yes, Esoterica, the Yahoo Answers Religion and Spirituality forum is a rip! I've been dissipating time on the site for about 3 years now and the level of ignorance, fundamentalism, and rudeness (of the fundy Christian ilk) boggles the mind. Any and every Q that has to do with Paganism or occultism is loaded with intrusive comments either by fundies telling people to repent or go to hell or else by smug Muggles telling the person posting the question that they are crazy. It can make the time go by on quiet, rainy night with your intoxication of choice.


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Hmm, interesting

If I'm not mistaken, from previous experience, this is done using a chant/mantra/prayer
The chant would evoke a djinn and put somewhat of a leash into it that the chanter will hold
And then, the chanter would again chant to make the djinn do things

This method does not rely on how good the chanter is in doing or knowing the basic knowledge of magick if I'm not mistaken
The method relies only in how much faith he have in god, and the manual that come with that "god" regarding the control of negative entity using prayers/chants/mantra that god had written in that manual

The advantage is that, he don't need to understand the theory, the mantra is already imbued with an intense level of energy due to its usage in the past, he simply need to believe
The disadvantage is that, since the caster usually don't understand the theory and relies only on the mantras available in the god manual, the things he can ask with his control of the djinn is limited, so it's not very flexible
However, if he did understand the theory (and your uncle seems he did), he might be able to do things that aren't written in the manual

This was based on my experience where I once had a curse sent to me by a person who uses a similar method
If I'm not mistaken, he simply pray "god, please correct the action of these people" or sort using a certain chant that was taught in his god manual, and voila, bad things simply happen one after another
Simple words, blind faith, and voila, a very strong curse which took me some time to cleanse (was even asking for a relative of mine to help the cleansing process, and it still took some time, sigh)

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So basically what he did was set a glass in front of him, read some stuff, and in a few minutes the glass crumbled into pieces!!!

It's an old stage-magic trick... a cheap gimmick.

It's entertainment. Maybe there is a message in there somewhere about the value of meditation, but more often than not it is just a way to soak cash from the credulous.

Spirits, whether you call them Djinn or fairies or whatever, tend to be subtle. They shatter expectations and barriers, not glass cups. It is unfortunate that with much to be gained from spirits in terms of personal advancement or illumination, people are so foolishly hungry to beg them for any kind of novelty.

Are not freedom, joy, and real power more desirable novelties than broken glass and warm dishware?


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QUOTE(Imperial Arts @ Aug 7 2010, 11:06 AM) *

So basically what he did was set a glass in front of him, read some stuff, and in a few minutes the glass crumbled into pieces!!!

It's an old stage-magic trick... a cheap gimmick.

It's entertainment. Maybe there is a message in there somewhere about the value of meditation, but more often than not it is just a way to soak cash from the credulous.

Spirits, whether you call them Djinn or fairies or whatever, tend to be subtle. They shatter expectations and barriers, not glass cups. It is unfortunate that with much to be gained from spirits in terms of personal advancement or illumination, people are so foolishly hungry to beg them for any kind of novelty.

Are not freedom, joy, and real power more desirable novelties than broken glass and warm dishware?



Wow, I came back after a year and this thread is still got bumped just last month, haha.

Well, I'm 1 year more intelligent aye? So I got more knowledge...Oh yeah, I forgot the password to my original account so had to create this new one.

So as for you, no this was no gimmick. The glass was not his cup, he wasn't holding it. I'm just assuming this is some sort of elemental magick. All that he really was able to do was heat things up to very hot temperatures, shatter objects, and just stuff like that.

I'm not soo sure how much practice he got...But we know that he did very little magick. And yes, he had sadly passed away 5 years ago before I posted this thread...So what do you guys have to conclude now?

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Any sufficiently powerful elementalist would technically be able to do that, but I fail to see why. It seems a lot of effort for very little gain and showmanship isn't usually one of the mage's specialities. Would you push boulders uphill until you are at the edge of your strength, exhausted and spent, just so a few people could get a moment of marvel?

I pursue the elementalist's path, and even as a neophyte, I know that is not something I am likely to do. If I do any showing, it'll be to myself, and just so I can practice my abilities.

If he was indeed capable of doing such, then it is a pity that he did not progress to summoning the elementals and their Kings. That, I understand, is far more useful as a role. Given the choice of triumphing over men with evil in their hearts with secret knowledge to be gained or conjuring tricks to wow the natives, what would you choose?

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