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Prudence69
post Jun 12 2009, 09:46 AM
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I am curious to hear your experiences about LHP.. I had a beautifull experience with JOS version of Satanism, although many don't like it.. How about other paths? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Jun 12 2009, 02:48 PM
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Yep.
From my experience alot of LHPers dont look to highly to JOS.
There was alot of criticism of JOS when occultforums.com use to be up. Now you can find alot of former members critical of JOS on youtube as well.


As for other paths I find alot of them quite interesting. I sometime find some of the traditional Satanism stuff interesting as well.

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post Jun 12 2009, 03:09 PM
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LHP had some decent experiences. The magick is definetely real. I mentioned before in this forum, and still maintain, my adverse position to the JOS.

Cross-reference their donation POBOX number in google, and you will get the POBOX for the Tulsa, Oklahoma chapter of the NSM (American Nazi Party). That is, unless they grew the brain to change the boxes.

For a cultCOUGHCOUGHCOUGH sorry, *ahem* group that endorses freethinking, I find it strange that they are representatives of a political interest group famous for curtailing intellectual and ideological freedom.

So much for the "Satanic Free-thought" tenet.

Don't get me wrong. My experiences were definitely something to learn from, but, as an organization, I am completely against the JOS. Again, their magick is real, but their organization standpoint is a farce. Take their meditations and techniques, and go solitary. That is my advice to you.

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post Jun 13 2009, 07:38 AM
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I agree with your opinion about their organisation.. They seem to me like Christians in satanic cause. I don't like that too. But with their methods, I got the best results. Also, they seem like organised , but many had abaddoned them because they sell individuality, and then strangle it. Like high inquisition.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/Laie_58.gif) No matter, i am taking what fits to me best, like clothes..

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post Jun 13 2009, 08:13 AM
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Here are some of my experiences. (not so large, since I am only 4 years studying and dabbling) When I started to do magick, i was attracted first to the path of wicca, and christianity. I was christian ortodox, first as a complete christian, then something in between. I have notised while I was studying that many people insist on their own believes like they were only, and that they have accepted the order as it is, in the state, with other pple, believing that they are "the choosen one", and sellected few. As I am naturally an empath, and very sensitive and honest, it has bothered me.. I mean - who are they?I wasn't avare of myself.. By time, i discovered satanism, first, that dumb version of satanism as I should b evil and sacrifice animals (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif), and then I came to JOS and made a dedication in October 2006. Nothing happened then.. I only had more confidence. Since I couldnt stand my negative emotions I gave up from that type of Satanism and came back to christianity-telling everyone that i was attacked. Sooooooooo dumb.. i can only laugh to that now.. And so I started being Christian. It helped me, but later on, my free nature lead me back two years later to the JOS satanism.. I actually started DOING something in LHP. 17 years and discipline... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/baby.gif) So, I meditated and summoned Demons from my ENORMOUS suprise with success!!! I pratcised opening my third eye by myself, so I was sensitive enough. I wanted to summon Lucifer himself first.. I haven't believed in that.. I learned correspondences from the JOS site about Him, and I started.. I have meditated on the sigil for about 20 minutes. I felt that it was pulling me in.. I standed east, lighted black candle, and I have done it in monday..And, believe it or not, he actually CAME!!!Oh, i shiver with admiration from that memory.. I asked what should I do to become better and got responce: "Just be persistent and honest" Oh.. I havent knew where it came from. I thought that I was sleepy and that I was imagining things. The energy was strooooooooong.. So I thanked for the reply if I wasn't sure if it was real, and asked for appereance in my dream. That night, i could not sleep at alll....... I tried, but I simply couldn't. and I was very rested as I was sleeping for days!!!!!!!! I believe it was Him, because I was so open-minded and rested for the next three days, and I met other Demons too.. The day after, I had difficuties meditating, and a name came to my mind: Adrameleck. And a thought about breathing a gold aura of Lucifer and falling into deep trance.. I wasnt't believing what I hear. Who is Adrameleck? Next minute, suddenly, I felt my room was filled with fresh, cold air.. and I saw a very tall man with long,dark hair, i don't remember his clouse, but his energy was refreching.. I have read after that He is president of the demonic Senate and a guardian of Satan's closet!!!!!Sent directly from Satan!!! What a power... It is not by coincidence.. He told me that I need to practise more(who doesn't), and to watch what am I saying.. I cried.. I actually cried how Demons are kind and gentle. And I had my doubts, and They showed me the path..And they still are.

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post Jun 13 2009, 12:49 PM
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QUOTE(Prudence69 @ Jun 13 2009, 09:38 AM) *

But with their methods, I got the best results.

Providing you didnt know this already. They actually 'borrowed' alot of material off others (like Bardon's material) hence why you are getting good results.

Xenomancer is right. You are probably better going off solitary. Theres tons of material to work from and at least you can stay a free thinker.


btw Alot of LHP do not worship other beings (imaginary or real). You are your own diety.

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post Jun 13 2009, 03:17 PM
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I knew that.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Thanks for the advice. I am going solitary with mixing all that I wrote. But I am still hot-head, and I need a lot to learn. I do not pretend that I know everything.. I , of course, need to learn very MUCH. I just wrote my experience by now. The reason I started this topic is to see what are your experiences and to compare mine to see if I am doing right.. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/oops.gif)
Greetings


That is why, after all, I came here for! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I wrote closet.. But I have meant wardrobe!! It sounded like bathroom or something... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif)

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post Jun 15 2009, 11:16 PM
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My experiences have been interesting to say the least. I will keep it very short:

I dedicated near summer 2004. My goal was to reach Japan and live there with a good career. This was what I wanted.

By 2005, after living with other satanists, we all became disenchanted with satanism. Too many weird experiences to make sense of. Plus, of the others I stayed with, one was an ego-tripper, and I suspect the other was possibly schizopherenic, possibly just plain crazy. He claims to have heard voices from the astral.

During 2005, I completely dissociated with Spiritual Satanism. I didn't see the point anymore. I was not getting results. Plus, I went through many confusing experiences which deluded me further.

2006, I can hardly speak of, simply that I lived in a state of complete absent-mindedness (no, not from drugs, but from spiritual and intellectual sloth).

2007, I started studying again, and kept studying magick and philosophy until the end of 2008.

Beginning of 2009, I began to try to look for ways to nullify my blood contract. Why worship Satan/Lucifer/Enki/Whoever? If the whole point of Spiritual Satanism was to become one's own sense of support, why would I need to worship another being for it? What's more, looking back, I thought, what's the point of enlisting this "Satan's" help if I could have done this on my own effort, anyway?? So, I decided to proceed with investigating ways to cancel the contract. I received no lasting psychic advancement, and I received no progress when I was loyal to the LHP way. Anything I gained was quickly lost after some unfortunate incidents. Seeing as how the contract was unfulfilled, I resolved to do everything in my power to nullify the contract.

I found a source, somewhere, on how to do it, but it still needs to be cross-referenced:

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According to Saint Alphonso Maria de Ligouri (1696-1787), it is possible to break a pact with Satan, even if it has been signed in blood.

The following steps must be followed:

* Renounce and abjure any contract with Satan.
* Destroy all writings, talismans, charms, etc., connected with the black art.
* Burn the written contract, or declare you regret and reject it.
* Make restitution for any harm done, insofar as is possible.


I don't know if this is a historical fact or not, but I wished to give it a try.

Funny fact: about $500-750 worth of books, candles, items, and other occult goods were thrown away by my mother and fundamentalist relatives. It's almost like this whole thing played out on it's own. (step 2) The contract burned at the dedication. (Step 3) I apologized for being excessively eccentric, or at least tried to, to all my friends and former acquaintances that I may have creeped out. Also, I do my best to enlighten people about how they can rely on themselves instead of having to fulfill a spiritual contract of any sort. (step 4) Step 1 is a given, otherwise I would not have done all this, nor any of this happen.

On the other hand, I do find it to be humorously ironic if what I sought was to be my own entity with no ties to anything else, completely independent... and here I am now completely dissociated from any and all religious systems, and completely silent with all pantheons. Be careful what you wish for.

Conversely, in retrospect, I see myself as a good embodiment of a true LHP follower: True to believing in the power of self-reliance. At this time, I don't know what powers influence my life. In all honesty, if they (RHP entities, or LHP entities, or any non-aligned, WHOEVER, I don't really know) wanted to take credit for the guiding forces in my life, they would have sought me out for it, not the other way around.

So far, nothing and no one has stepped forward, or confronted me. I feel as if I am on my own. Ok, I'll stop here. This is your post, not my blog. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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-One cannot traverse waters without causing waves. - Xenomancer
-I find it interesting that we as scholars of metaphysics have no problem discussing the intricacies of the threads of reality, but when it comes to the things that really matter, we forget them. - Xenomancer
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Prudence69
post Jun 16 2009, 03:17 AM
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I was a weird mix of LHP and RHP until I realised what am I doing.. And I realised that I can do whatever I want with any paradigm. Stange are the paths of our minds.. And everyone has it own path. I deeply believe in that. Here, I shared my experience with one of the paths. Well, my topic was meant to be for sharing experiences, so it cannot be turned (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) into a blog! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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post Jun 19 2009, 07:58 PM
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QUOTE(Xenomancer @ Jun 16 2009, 01:16 AM) *

Funny fact: about $500-750 worth of books, candles, items, and other occult goods were thrown away by my mother and fundamentalist relatives.

You too huh?!
I had similar thing happen with my family years ago. I lost tons of stuff too.
I'm so glad I moved out.

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post Oct 7 2009, 09:49 AM
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I was so stoked to find Joy of Satan. it was awesome. than I found out they are connected to a nazi party and must be rasist it sucked. I still try to use some stuff from the website coz it is good but dawm the nazi thing really hurt me inside. here I was thinking I had found people truly LHP and I find out that they support nazi. arrogant rasicm and hitler I was bumbed LOL


Thats unfortunate to hear about everyone lossing thier occult goodies. It is abit sad that you descovery of lucifer didnt go any deeper.

Prudence69 took it to the another level. it was inspiring and to see a demon of such status oh man it is like seeing lucifer personally. fear and amazment hahahahaha

some seemed that some of them still couldnt break free from the grips of Christianity. probley because they live with the perents and the perents are fundemtalist.

living with satanist is a bad idea for me coz I bet all of them are egotist LOL I hate egotist and arrogance with a vengence (IMG:style_emoticons/default/evil2.gif)





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