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Satarel
post Jun 20 2007, 10:43 AM
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I'm just a litle curious. Does anyone know how one might go about attaining kamachari? I've found a few references to this siddhi, but nothing actually useful.

I'm aware of the spiritual implications of such a question, but I'm a bit utilitarian these days.


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post Jun 20 2007, 06:53 PM
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Greetings!
Long time no see...?
Well, you, of all people, should realize that the siddhi's are not just something we can chemically produce or 'inspire' by physical techniques, etc. They require the aspirant to practice with both physical and mental exercises.

http://health.indianetzone.com/yoga/hathyo..._hatha_yoga.htm

Kamachari is basically teleportation. The above link gives a quick look at the siddhi's and the traditional route to their attainment.
Being a pragmatist I would love to be able to quickly shortcut to the good stuff, LOL!, but, alas, it doesn't work that way. If you can find a cooperative yogi, then he/she may be able to astrally manipulate your energy fields...but this route can be dangerous for obvious reasons.
Good luck, and good to hear from you again! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


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post Jun 27 2007, 11:58 PM
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Silly me for not checking back on this sooner - I was expecting a delayed response not one within a few hours. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif) Yes, it has been a while, hasn't it?

Since kamachari is also described as "moving to where one desires", I was half expecting the obvious answer that attaining some level of enlightenment helps you to be satisfied with exactly where you are; something I've found to be ironically true but frustratingly impractical.

Unfortunately I don't believe myself lucky enough to have a yogi readily available for such an endeavour, hence why I thought I'd ask... a few people here have demonstrated that they do have such guidance - and I was hoping some might be able to be passed along.

But if what it says about "binding Vayu" is correct, I may already be working along the right path,,, although without any pointers I'm still a bit in the dark.

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post Dec 4 2008, 01:26 PM
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Maybe this could help someone attain siddhis. It basically says so. But it's kinda confusing. Anyway look for the section that says Khagdamala Stotram. It talks about worshiping the outer enclosure of the sri yantra and absorbing the siddhis... or something. If anyone firgures it out please inform me about it. Here's the linkhttp://www.shaktisadhana.org/Newhomepage/Sadhana.html

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post Dec 10 2008, 09:55 PM
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What do u think about use some drugs or herbs to raise kundalini and attain all siddhis (major and minor)?

It says that it takes just a few days with herbs


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post Aug 20 2009, 05:50 AM
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Posts 17 and 23, Pure Wisdom.


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post Oct 10 2009, 03:20 PM
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I don't think you *need* a guru. If you did, then where did the first guru come from? that said, it certainly couldn't hurt.

I think siddhis are something that bystanders focus on much more than the one attaining it. A siddhi is more of a side effect. I don't think you can approach it's attainment if the 'side effect' is your goal.
I have found myself displaying a few traits which might be called siddhis by some, but all of them were just side effects of my more focused goal of spiritual evolution.


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post Oct 10 2009, 07:14 PM
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I once moved a tea cup about 3 or 4 centermeters across the table in front of my farther and mother while we were at a restaurant. this was when I was practicing trataka a hell of alot and practicing the psi wheel for telekinesis. later my farther said in a jokingly way that it was like moving something by staring at it with your eyes. this is a key to it I think. and I have made something become transparent because of mirror scying but this of course can nothing because I was the only one to witness it.

Levitation I have never done but I love to fly during sleep. it has a really cool feeling like being weightlessness I do enjoy it very much. kind of like floating.

But this really is not something I openly brag about with non magick people even after the telekinesis incident I kept it to myself.


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post Oct 11 2009, 05:45 AM
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Do you think that there are only a set number of siddhis? like the nine main, the eight primary, the ten secondary, etc?

Or do you view it as more just any ability which outwardly appears to be 'superhuman' and is the result of spiritual development?


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post Oct 11 2009, 06:22 AM
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According to written texts there are eight but I think that with every human being comes infinite shades of 'gray'...
I'm not sure of just a exhaustive search has been done, after all, these are 'side effects' and this, by nature, must be
as varied as the people manifesting them. I've also noted that the minor chakras are complicet with siddhi-like manifestations, like if there was an energy blockage in the heart chakra, you may find that the energy is shunted to the hands, etc. and those energy centers, once activated can result in different 'side effects'. This can be borne out of the use of certain vegetable and/or mineral 'drugs' that mimic the arousal of the fire snake and its resultant siddhi's. Jus' a thought...IMHO!


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post Oct 11 2009, 07:45 AM
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well, in different sources, there are alternate lists of siddhis, with anywhere from 5 to 10 siddhis listed. and they don't all overlap or match up. Which makes me kinda think that any ability which could be generally considered to be 'supernatural' or at least 'superhuman', which is the result of spiritual development, might be considered a siddhi... its a thought anyway (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


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post Oct 11 2009, 11:19 AM
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You make an excellent point!
I tend to view the Siddhis as more or less inherent psionic abilities that become activated during meditations and spiritual workings.
There have been a number of Siddhis that do 'overlap' when viewed in this context...but whatever works for you! I've observed Siddhi manifestation within a passive observant during a ritual pathworking. So much for being 'passive'...but this could also be argued that what was manifested was not an actual Siddhi at all. There are so many contradictory histories in the Hindu/Tantric/Buddhist/etc. writings about this that it is hard to pin down. Having an Inner Source certainly will help you on straightening out some of the crap and politics that appear rife within these systems. If you have some new info about the Siddhis I'm very open to reading/listening about them. On a shamanic level I've experienced them at times with and without plant allies. I'd much prefer the non-drug approach as it tends to be more reliable to ones senses.


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post Oct 11 2009, 12:40 PM
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If you have some new info about the Siddhis I'm very open to reading/listening about them.

hmm, well for example there is the siddhi regarding not needing food or drink for several days, without discomfort.
Honestly that more sounds more like an act of willpower than a supernatural talent, but the 'without discomfort' bit might differentiate it from simple willpower.


An ability which is a little bit like that, which I use 'intermittently', is to skip sleep for abnormally large periods of time (say 48-72 hours or so), without feeling sleepy or tired. There is a gradual drop-off in mental acuity though, and eventually this will become severe enough to demand sleep, but I don't feel any overt need for rest. In other words, I can stay up all night, and feel like dancing on the ceiling the next day (figuratively) instead of being a zombie. This is just due to really excessive personal energy levels. Actually such high levels seem to prevent sleep to an 'unwanted' degree, unless periodically discharged.

Somewhat related to that, is that I can (usually) sort of jump-start REM sleep phase before being fully unconscious. So basically I start dreaming, intentionally, a few minutes or seconds before I'm all the way unconscious. This results in getting the required REM portion of sleep out of the way very quickly (you only need a couple hours of it). So I can continue for prolonged periods (longest i've tried is about 8 weeks) with just 3-4 hours of sleep per 24 hour period, without noteworthy discomfort. But even then the body does eventually get to feeling worn down, and needs a day or two of longer rest.

It's handy as a time saver, and I abuse it pretty frequently. more days than not I'm going on less than 4 hours sleep. And you really wouldn't guess it by my energy levels. Just last night I napped for about 2.5 hours, and I feel fine.

I find that one of the major functions of sleep is to replenish personal energy levels. If you replace that function, then you're left with a somewhat incomplete need for sleep. the brain still needs about 2 hours of REM sleep to reshuffle short term memory tidbits into long term memory. It usually takes a few hours of sleep before you enter into REM sleep, but it can occur almost instantly as well. It's fairly variable. And the body & brain both need a 'refractory period' to reset themselves chemically. And the body itself needs a certain amount of sedate relaxation (but not necessarily "sleep") each day.

Of course everyone needs different amounts of sleep. But I used to need 7-8 hours of sleep to function decently, and over a period of less than a year I shifted from that, to needing only 3-4 hours of sleep, or no sleep at all for a day or two.

I can think of other siddhi-like abilities which I seem to have manifested on ocassion, but none with the ease & regularity of the above example.


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Have always been of the opinion that Siddhis, gained in any practice, are distractions... exit doors dimly illuminated for the ego as it were. All too many magicians fall for it bellowing their sucess from atop of some vantage point forgetting its just another place from which to hop off or fall from.

Power for powers sake. Still in the mode of survival, something we're all attempting to escape from.

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post Oct 22 2009, 04:31 AM
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yeah, anything that takes your eyes off the prize...



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I don't understand how siddhis like teleportation, time travel or physical objects materialization can be done only through concentration.

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well, in theory, if one's consciousness was infinite or approaching a more infinite state instead of it's normal finite state, then 'concentration' might take on a radically different scope and context.

but to be honest, I don't quite see how one could do those things through only concentration either... which could mean that they're "silly" or it could just mean that i haven't figured that bit out yet (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


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when i was a youth of around 7 years old i was staying the night at my grandparents house, which at the time was something i loved doing. when it was time for bed i didnt want to go to sleep because i wanted to be awake with my grandparents and uncle. i found myself in the bed in the spare bedroom for an hour unable to fall asleep. it was about 10:30 and this thought arose in my mind to simply to blink to make the time go by til morning, so i blinked and then it was about three hours later. i blinked again and a couple more hours passed. i blinked around 5 or 6 times, each time the duration of time that passed being less than the previous until finally the sun was rising. it was literally like a few seconds passed in the duration of a full nights sleep that didnt happen. what makes this even more interesting is that my grandpa was a watch repair man, and the spare bedroom i was sleeping in was the room where he worked, so there were all kinds of gadgets and watches everywhere as if the spirit of time was there in the room with me. several experiences of this nature have occured in my life but this was the only time it was willed {and so spontaneosly at that} i dont remeber if i read that folding time was actually a siddhi {though it might have been listed} but of course bi-location is and this is at least reflective of that ability.

i see the attaining of enlightenment and the attaining of abilities almost synonomously. one doesnt need to be seen as far superiour to the other. it all depends on the ultimate motive. although certain abilities peak my interest, in all honesty i myself would take an enduring state of bliss and wisdom over the ability to levitate

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i would like to apologize a minute, i thought the discussion was over on page one and didnt realize there was a page two and so i was kind of behind the discussion and may have interupted.

as for my mentioning of attaining abilities being almost synonomous with enlightenment was that in truth both experiences can potentially be as ego gratifying as the other only each type of gratification being at a different 'velocity' shall we say.

Kath is very right in mentioning that when one approaches an infinite state of consciousness that concentration can become a whole different thing. part of this is becoming for me about full realization of being inside the "divine mind" its like ones focus merges almost visibly with a larger framework or streta of awareness. from this point the experience of being outside ones ego while still percieving through it is attained and the universe itself is sharing the concentration.

oddly enough it has been just recently where i felt the inkling to try and use this abilty of changing the contours of time by will. nothing like what i described in the above post has happened {though that isnt really what im trying to do}. the method im working with is one of absorbing the fact that i am my own experience of time and either austerley savoring with a clear mind every breath, thought, movement, ect...ect... to make it go slow, or clearing the mind and ignoring everything thats passing within and without to speed it up. im also quite certain {by way of certain other experiences in my past} that developing a working relationship with the earths two primary luminaries that much vaster types of time warping are possible.

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I read that Lsd helps to ones mind to remove mental blocks and improve concentration. Some people take this entheogen to attain siddhis.

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