QUOTE(Mchawi @ Sep 14 2011, 07:41 AM)
This all sounds so neophyte but seriously, I've been all holier than thou, kind, open and fluffy and have been blind to the negative element in those around me in return I've been hit like the ten of swords, coupled with a three of the same suit... that wouldnt bother me so much if it werent for the fact that I'm damn clairvoyant and have had to put up with FEELING said person doing me wrong, how can I explain.... like waking with a headache with someones hand imprinted on your face, rings and all well enough for you to know who hit you... obvious said person has a piece of me, an energetic poppet and is excrementing heavily all over it... was hoping for a set of specific curses to off set the damage, loss of hair, worts, an infection of some kind, understand that demonic entities would be good for this kind of thing... going to have to scowl as though I were one while attacking the poppet, screw up my spirit, may as well borrow the services of one for a short while.... dont have an item from them, as a clairvoyant I can raise a connection I suppose, easy enough... I have a signature actually, although it dosent have much in it, a few warm and happy photos, God bless facebook...
What by way of karma can I expect in return for making a poppet and going through the works? This is really a lesson in walking the line, not being too good, some balance is healthy right? (Moral Justification) How does karma work if I pay someone to do the damage?
Don't call up a spirit for this. It's not so much about the fear of attachment per say, so much as, any spirit that's going to do this sort of thing for you is not going to do it and just leave you feeling righteously avenged. Also you start dealing with divine providence, whether you really deserve vengeance, and that sort of thinking will be used to mess you up.
A photo isn't the best link, but it can do okay, especially if it's someone you have had physical contact with. A signature is really better because it's a unique and personal expression. A bit of hair or fingernail is ideal, and of course it doesn't get better than blood but, well, unless you have an old bandaid or something...
Karmically? In this life you'll feel like crap probably, and remember that revenge doesn't make you feel better, if anything you'll just be more angry and possibly a little unbalanced. And, I wouldn't bother to pay someone for it - for one thing they'll have less success than you will because they'd only have the links that you have but none of the personal contact to back it up with. For another, well, magic is about your power over your life, not someone else's power over it.
In your next life/afterlife/ventures into the astral world though? It'll mark you. Maybe in another life the same thing will happen to you, you'll have nightmares in this life, astral guides that might otherwise have come to you may avoid you instead, any benevolent spiritual forces may require your honest and sincere penitence before working properly for you. Those that live by the sword die by the sword, and yoda wasn't wrong when he said "Once you travel down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny." Once you go that way, it's hard to come back. Doing this kind of magic is not at all different than being a violent person face to face. It's just more clandestine and harder to trace. If you don't feel bad about doing it afterwards, well, then you didn't believe in it enough unless you'd have felt the same about pounding this person physically.
I'm not saying it's wrong, but I am saying it's a choice with consequences like any other choice - and if you want to make that choice then just recognize that it'll cost you and decide whether the cost is worth it or not. You assault someone on the street and you'll probably go to jail for it. Look at it the same way - would it be worth it to spend six months in prison for aggravated assault? Is it an egregious enough insult to you what this person has done, that you'd gladly pay the price to hurt them back?
The best way? The way that will cost you the least? Just say F*** 'em, their choices do not rule your life.
Let me tell you a short story.
I previously worked for a couple of people that I really thought of as friends. I was an independent contractor, and I loved my job with them, I loved my clients, the pay wasn't great but my input and opinions, my guidance and instincts were valued, so I enjoyed being there. One day, I decided I wanted to make the next leap in my life and open my own clinic. Far enough away that I wasn't going to be competition for them, even though I didn't have to do that because my contract with them was a cut-and-paste hack job that wouldn't hold water in court. However, despite that I had a great deal of respect for them so when I made my plans I moved three towns over to look for a location because I felt it wouldn't be in line with my values and personal ethics to open up in their back yard.
I had seen that they could be greedy people, I had seen how they had treated others, but I had always been honest and loyal to them, and they had never given me a reason to believe that they would not treat me in kind. However, everyone I knew told me that I should just go about my business, let my contract expire and then just politely let them know that I was moving on. They told me not to tell them I was planning to open my own clinic afterwards, because they would can me in a second if I did.
However, like I said, these people were my friends and I believed in our relationship. So, when I was certain that my plans were going to be finalized and put into motion I came to them to tell them that I would be doing this in two months - at the end of my contract. These people with whom I had shared mutual trust and loyalty, who I had helped and been helped by, who believed in the same ideals of healing - I thought - that I did, first laughed at me and told me my plan would never work, then became paranoid that I was going to steal my clients from them, and ultimately yelled at me, laughed off my trust in them, and terminated my contract early. Then they systematically cut out the other therapists who knew I was opening my own clinic and who believed I would do well. I was shocked, and hurt, but even if I had known that was the case I would have done the same thing. Because that's just my values, my way of living life, and I don't budge on those things. Honesty, integrity, and loyalty are important to me.
Well, this screwed me up a bit - I had two months of no work, very little money coming in, my clients didn't know where I was although a few of them came and found me, my partner worked for them as well and they changed the locks on him and then claimed that he didn't show up for work one day so he couldn't get unemployment. When he did file, they claimed that he quit because I 'quit'. We lost our home and had to crash with a friend while we got the business started so that we could manage to get into another house for the interim. Even now, we're late on all of our bills but, of course, a little magic helped keep us from drowning and things are improving. Still, six months of hand to mouth, we had to sell stuff, we've got marks on our credit and just barely avoided an eviction judgement which would keep us from renting another place. They knew this would happen because I told them that I needed to be able to work those two months while I transitioned, so that I can continue to have an income and reassign my clients to other therapists. They did it anyway, and laughed when I said I wouldn't be able to pay my bills, eat, put gas in my car, saying "Well, you're sitting on $15k it sounds like, you can live off of that." The money to build my business.
Afterwards, I went home and looked at my various supplies, figuring the best way to bring their lives crashing down around them. I had lead for saturn works, I had bits of hair stuck to my clothes from one of them, I had bits of the business itself I could work against, and of course I could just drop a root bag in their bushes and ruin the business that way. And, I almost did. And I reconsidered several times over the next couple of months. But, I didn't because of what said above. To me, the cost wasn't worth it. And you know what? Later on my clients got calls from them, in their paranoia, wanting to know if I had contacted them. After that call, each of them looked for me, found me, and now they come to my clinic, even though I'm 30 miles away. I was the busiest therapist in the clinic. Now, they're scrambling to recoup the loss of clientele, they have all fresh out of school therapists and no one to teach them like I did. I also ended up hiring one of the best therapists there who left when they kicked me out. Their receptionist left about a month ago to get married and move to italy, but before she did she was updating us periodically, and the entire atmosphere there has gone sour, the clients can feel it, and people are leaving less satisfied, not tipping their therapists, and the therapists are unhappy.
I didn't do anything. I just stuck to my values, and let them play out their messed up drama. The net result, is that their kind of living can't be sustained for too long. Eventually, their own paranoia and anger the audacity of me trying to improve my life and build a future for myself instead of working for them forever, has gradually destroyed their business. They're like roaches, they'll survive i'm sure by swindling some other people, but the way they're going they will struggle forever. Because that's what that kind of life causes.
So is there always justice upon those who wrong us? Sometimes quickly, sometimes not, but the kind of person who acts that way suffers. They destroy their relationships because it isn't just you - if they'll do it to you they'll do it to anyone if it strikes them to do so, and over time they won't have any long lasting relationships and you may have learned this already, but it's those relationships which help you get ahead in life. If I didn't have the kind of strong and trust filled relationships with my clients that I do, if I was the kind of person they are, then I wouldn't have been able to establish and build this business in the time that I've had to do it. It was because I'm not the kind of person that exacts bloody revenge that these people sense a light in me when we meet and connect, and I never have to struggle to create good relationships.
So think about it carefully, and don't just think of the gratification, think of what it will mean for you and who you are, and where you will go in life. You might want to think it can be an isolated incident, but it won't be. It may not ruin your life, but you'll always know that you did it, and at some point you'll be paranoid about someone else doing the same to you - just like these people I dealt with. They became paranoid because they are the type of people who would have done what they were afraid I would do.