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Xenomancer |
Feb 6 2007, 04:19 PM
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(IMG: style_emoticons/default/ac42.gif) Yi-ching by far. Chinese spirits have a bit of an advantage having over 6,000 years of an organized celestial bureaucracy that handles alot of their esoteric data. Their approach is systematic, gematric, and logical as a fitting application to life in both mundane and spiritual fields. There is ALOT to go around with them, and working a bit for them, I also adoped some of their methods of spiritual diplomacy (it adds a nice touch as a safe method for dealing with spirits in a bad mood! No one knows bureaucratic neutrality like the chinese spirits do!!) I like it. Seeing as how I use a similar sytematic approach with uniting science and magick (technomancy/mancilogia (technical divination/science of divination)), the Yi-ching does both on an even more ambivalent level. VERY effective. ***** rating thread!
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¡HA HA! ¡ESTOY USANDO EL INTERNET!- Never learn the Art of Sword before the Art of Dance. - Celtic Proverb- Even with spiritual power, an unchecked ego will only seek to deify itself. - Frank MacEowen- One cannot traverse waters without causing waves. - Xenomancer- I find it interesting that we as scholars of metaphysics have no problem discussing the intricacies of the threads of reality, but when it comes to the things that really matter, we forget them. - Xenomancer- This world is your home. We have a mix of everything here. If you want better, make better. There's no rule of going elsewhere for the tools. That's what magick is about. - Xenomancer
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Mezu |
Feb 6 2007, 07:17 PM
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I could never step away from my tarot (Thoth only, though). They've never misled me, always given answers, they counsel rather than just divine, offering advice, genuine alternatives. I would never undertake any great work (or minor work) without first performing a Tarot divination. If the tarot indicates lack of success, I modify my formula, try again. Of course there are no yes/no answers in the tarot.
For instance, I formulated the creation of a very ambitious servitor. The Tarot, on three consecutive reads gave me FUTILITY (Seven of Swords) on the outcome card. Combined with the ADVICE card in my spreads, I modified my construct, gave him a humbler "mission", read again, and the results were overwhelmingly positive (WEALTH Ten of Discs). AND -- that servitor became one of my best performers!
But the bottom line, the visual archetypes in a good deck, the thousands of symbols in a Thoth deck in particular, connect almost directly to the subconscious. Short of active visualizing and scrying, what else can do that? Since I'm Chaos-oriented, I'm all about connected to the awesome and unlimited power of the sub and the Deep Mind. And I want "advice" from my deck, too.
But, having said that, I don't use I Ching much, so I couldn't vote any other way. It might be awesome, but I don't have enough experience to know.
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Xenomancer |
Feb 7 2007, 08:01 AM
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QUOTE One is more analytic leading to intuitive abstraction. The other is more intuitive, encouraging refinement and an analytic distillation. Yep. QUOTE but I tend to agree with his idea that the I Ching often cuts through a lot of the ambiguity that one can get in a tarot reading. Very true. The tarot is not one for those who tend to think alot, either with or almost with enough *think* as a Gemini would. Me being one, the tarot, no offense, sent me into an overinclusive schizoid thinking pattern, since I was not given a good direction of where to go. Example: Tarot says "fool" card concerning things ahead. "Wait, Concerning what?" *insert card here* "But how?" *insert card here* "And that says what?!" Also, I got a bad experience because alot of my pagan friends ended up leading me on with different things with the whole, "Well, what do you think?" routine, back when I was rising Icarus style. That is a HUGE no-no. Ya don't do that to a budding mystic! Wrong! If ya know the answer, tell them, because they are impressionable at that moment in their spiritual development! For this reason, I hated the tarot. With a passion. Even if the tarot was right, the fact that I had trusted people that used it to guide me, misguide me, said enough: The tarot can tell you whatever, but it can't help you look inside someone to see what makes them tick. I said it in this sense because If they knew, they indeed could have handleed it differently. Now, I'm not shedding blame, but solving a solution goes both ways. If a wheel cant move, tend to it (dont be a smartZss and say replace it, abstractly is irreplaceable in this instance!). If only I had been given guidance in a form I could understand, I would not be in even HALF the mess I am in now!! I hate the tarot. BURNING hate of it. Don't bother responding to this, I just wanted to put my words-worth in. It's more or less just to ruminate on. Food for thought and all that. Take care.
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¡HA HA! ¡ESTOY USANDO EL INTERNET!- Never learn the Art of Sword before the Art of Dance. - Celtic Proverb- Even with spiritual power, an unchecked ego will only seek to deify itself. - Frank MacEowen- One cannot traverse waters without causing waves. - Xenomancer- I find it interesting that we as scholars of metaphysics have no problem discussing the intricacies of the threads of reality, but when it comes to the things that really matter, we forget them. - Xenomancer- This world is your home. We have a mix of everything here. If you want better, make better. There's no rule of going elsewhere for the tools. That's what magick is about. - Xenomancer
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Mezu |
Aug 31 2007, 08:03 PM
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I totally agree, LIam. The Tarot is like an "on switch" for the mind. Like strapping a can of nitreous on the old noggin. (car metaphor, not drugs). Tarot is the best tool, bar none, for meditation, psychic development and archetypal empowerment. Bar none. Right on. QUOTE(Liam @ Aug 21 2007, 04:34 PM) I've only ever really dabbled in the I Ching, but in comparison with the Tarot (which I've begun recently learning more seriously, I plan to move onto other forms like astrology later) the answers are more clear and I less confusing. I also find it more relaxing and enjoyable to perform.
One thing I've noticed about Tarot, though, is that ever since I've been studying it seriously, my psychic abilities have increased. It's as if the cards opened some kind of door in my subconscious because now my telepathic and psychic abilities just flow more easily to me. I find my dreams prophesy more and I get senses of what will happen in the future. Even more interesting, if I mentally think "I want to know what will happen today" etc, I will get a "sense" of it...
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